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Barack Obama Re-Elected President

President Obama defeated Republican Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential election.

 

President Barack Obama and Vice-President Joe Biden were re-elected Tuesday night, defeating Republican challenger Mitt Romney and his vice-presidential running mate Rep. Paul Ryan.

NBC News called the presidential election for Obama around 11:15 EST. The president sent a message on Twitter at 10:14 saying simply, "This happened because of you. Thank you."

The Obama campaign won the most expensive presidential race ever, with both parties raising about $2.6 billion. The race was filled with negative campaigning on both sides, from President Obama attacking Romney’s business experience with Bain Capital to Romney lambasting Obama’s handling of the economy.

The race tightened during the final months of the campaign, with gaffes and surges from both candidates. After a weak performance after the Republican Convention, Romney surged following Obama’s listless performance after the first presidential debate. Nevertheless, the president cemented a lead in battleground states heading into Tuesday’s election.

It was a surprise to no one that Obama carried his homestate of Illinois.

Related Topics: Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, elections 2012, and presidential election

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Dan Arenov

1:39 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

As Andrew Sullivan put it last week, if you are white and voted for Obama in 2008, it doesn't count unless you voted for him again in 2012. Only then can you prove that you aren't a racist.

And Mandy, you aren't a racist, are you? Good for you, girl!

Brian

11:25 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

Let us successfully move policies forward without being stalled by anyone. We need to move past all the filibustering.

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A. M. Kelly

8:09 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Agreed. All the Tea Party Congress did was keep America from moving forward when they filibustered EVERYTHING, however positive, that the president asked for and they failed to oust him from the White House anyway. They need to stop putting party before country and DO THEIR JOBS!

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b garrett

6:56 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

hmmmmmmmmm.....let's think. 99 % blacks voted for obama...does that make them 'racist" for voting against romney? of course/political correctness/ doesn't apply in that direction does it ?

Procrustes' Foil

6:38 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Mandy and Brian, hear, hear!! Our legislators must start legislating. That is their constitutional duty. (Article 1, Sections 7 and 8). They can find common ground.

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G.G.

4:23 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

As long as they cut spending... I'd like them to do their jobs, but for the most part, when congress gets together and "works", they are spending money (that's not theirs and that we don't have) all over the place. Gridlock isnt all that bad, it's the cheapest thing that can happen so far. Maybe the dems will let a budget come to a vote sometime in the next four years..... We'll see.

LvofCountry

6:55 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Do you think Obama will ditch that condesending attitude and actually try and work across the aisle?

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A. M. Kelly

8:05 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Don't be ridiculous. Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnel declared -- on the DAY the president was innaugerated -- that their Number ONE goal was to obstruct and defeat Obama -- not to work with him, not to work for the American PEOPLE, but simply to DEFEAT and OBSTRUCT everything he asked for. The President bent over backwards to work for these "party before country" congressmen and they did NOTHING...They refused to pass the president's American Jobs act...They voted AGAINST lowering Bank interest rates so middle and working class kids could go to college. They voted AGAINST a jobs bill for Veterans!. They've been a "do nothing" congress, and kept millions of Americans out of work to put ONE man out of a job. They are lucky to still have THEIR jobs.

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Eric Grenier

12:54 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

A.M. Kelly - Before you get jumped on, McConnell declared this at the time of the mid-term elections in 2010 (about 21 months after Obama was elected). However, we also know that a number of very key Republican leaders hatched a strategy on the night of the inauguration to stop Obama in his tracks by rejecting every piece of legislation they knew he would sign. My theory is quite simple: There was no political advantage for Republicans to work with Obama, especially in the shadow of a disastrous Republican presidency. Obama's success could mean several decades of losses. Several million people on the National Mall to see Obama must have been a scary sight indeed. When R's claim it was Obama who refused to work with them, we have to remind themselves that any success in Washington would improve on the current situation, and legitimize Obama. Even a negotiated compromise that rescued the economy would go to Obama's credit because he had nothing to do with the causes. For R's, there would be no such credit. It is they whose reward for bipartisanship would have been only further political disaster. They almost got away with it.

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A. M. Kelly

1:29 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

By the way, LvofCountry, I've always been puzzled by this supposed "condescending" attitutude many on the right claim to see in Obama. I've never seen it. Frankly, he's always seemed warm and friendly to me, and to others as well, it seems, as his "likeability" index has always been high, even among those who don't agree with his politics.
Of course there are many racially prejudiced people in this country who couldn't see a positive thing about him if they tried and they are often the same people who claim to see "arrogance" or "condescendion" in him...Because of this I can't help but wonder if they aren't really code words for for "uppity black man".

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Dan Arenov

1:33 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Harry Reid, just the other day, said that he would NOT work with Mitt Romney if he were elected president.

Compare and contrast to the infamous statement that Mitch McConnell made.

Screw Harry Reid... two can play that power game, Harry.

The House is super majority Republicans.. if Obama and Reid want compromise, then we can compromise...if they want to say "i won", like Obama did in '08, then screw 'em.

Alan Nudelman

9:20 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

President Obama has been elected for a second term. The Republican bloc in Congress - both the House and the Senate - no longer have to maintain solidarity with their declared goal of preventing him from being elected to a second term. I sincerely hope they now allow themselves to recognize the need for full participation in discussions about what's best for our country, and recognizing that compromise is not failure, but instead necessary to solve problems.

We all learned should have learned how to share in kindergarten. Not everyone can have their ways all the time. The Democrats, having to respond to a wide range of Democratic opinions within their own party, have learned this, and are good at it. Republicans, because of the homogenous nature of their party, are not so good at it. But it's not too late to learn.

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Dan Arenov

1:34 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

the leader of the Senate, Harry Reid, said last week that he would not work with Mitt Romney.

Why should the super majority Republican run House bend over backwards for these people who refuse to compromise?

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against unions

7:15 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

obama was elected by the freeloaders.. nothing to be proud of. i dont know about you aaaallll but Im scared

Janet Sirabian

9:31 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Alan, I have to disagree that the Democrats have learned to "share". My observation of the Democratic Party is that it is "my way or the highway". Mike Madigan is the prime example of this. I truly hope that both parties will learn to work together rather than just fight each other.

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Craig Apelbaum

9:44 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Even though I'm sad that Mitt Romney lost. I send my congratulations Governor Romney. He fought a long and hard campaign. And I send my congratulations to President Obama. I see he has to finish the work to make America a great country that it once was. I have faith in him.
Then he can pass his work on to the next president in 2017.

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D

12:09 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

The most constructive comment I have read. Very nice.

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Dan Arenov

1:35 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

absolutely. let's hope for the best.

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Sandy Reeves

10:41 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Love your spirit Craig. If the legislatures can come together then it's a win-win.

LvofCountry

12:52 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

A.M. Kelly
You have the Democratic talking points down to a tee, but do not have accurate facts. Just because you keep repeating a lie doesn't make it true. The President has never bent over backwards or even moved one foot forward to work across the aisle. He is and has always been party before country, that is the Chicago way. They wouldn't listen or include one Republican idea on Healthcare. If Obamacare is so great why were so many exemptions given to "special" groups to opt out? Be very careful what you wish for when you are on the receiving end of Obamacare you might not be so happy. There are 30+ bi-partisan bills waiting for a vote in the senate and Harry Reid won’t even put them up for a vote. How can this country ever work together if we can’t even get a vote on the bill? Let’s let the bills have an up or down vote! I am hoping Obama can learn to compromise like Clinton did for the good of the country, but unfortunately I don’t hold out much hope. Why doesn't he tell Harry Reid to let the senators vote??

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Dan Arenov

1:38 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Remember what Obama said to Boehner?

"i won".

that's the Democrat spirit of compromise.

A. M. Kelly

1:14 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Excuse me Lv, but can you back up even ONE of your claims?...I doubt it. I'm sure you have the Faux New Talking Points down, but it seems you never learned how to corroborate or confirm what you mistakenly believe to be "facts".

Sorry, LV, but the People Have Spoken. Our party won and yours lost. It happens. Democrats had to put up with eight years of Bush. You and your fellow conservatives can either keep whining and obstructing or you can work WITH the president and get this country moving again.

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Doug Purington

1:31 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Right on, A.M. Kelly!

Lv says: "Just because you keep repeating a lie doesn't make it true." This sums up the entire Romney/Ryan campaign! You know what worries me more than Romney & Ryan (no more worries about them!)....the 56M+ people who supported them!!!

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Dan Arenov

1:37 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Doug, even though Obama plays Santa Claus to his 'base', you need to know...there is no Santa Claus, Doug.

We who work and toil and pay taxes...we are being forced to play Santa Claus.

"where's my Obama phone"?!!

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Patrick Healy

2:17 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

And pitting one group of people against others sums up Obama's campaign. But the Chicago Style Politics worked, congrats!

I'm one of those now 57.5M people who supported 'THEM'. If you got to know me I don't think you would be too worried about me. I happen to think that Romney / Ryan would have done a great job at reaching across the aisle to get things done for all of the people.

I just pray that Obama comes to the center, like others before him. He didn't do it the first four years, but I'm hoping that Clinton will be in his ear for these next four. Don't worry though, it doesn't matter how he does, it seems you've got built-in excuses. It's never your fault, it’s always someone else’s fault. Keep in mind, there is NO MANDATE with getting 51 or so percent of the vote. There is still roughly half of America that doesn't agree with most of your policies. A leader comes to the center to get things done! Let’s hope he changes for everyone’s good.

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Dan Jenks

7:02 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Doug, given your opposition to letting the broader community use Rosewood Beach, I figured you were a natural Romney supporter :)

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against unions

7:20 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

kelly your stupid, the people that spoke are freeloaders. thats why we are in so much debt. obama took great care of the freeloaders for 4 years and they inturn relected him. Your going to get just what you deserve. just watch, stupid people.

A. M. Kelly

1:47 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Thanks, Doug, and yes, I definitely agree about the millions who voted for him...The same people who called John Kerry a "flip flopper" were completely unfazed by Romeny's CONSTANT flipping on virtually everything. This is a man who, when running for governor, claimed to be "left of Ted Kennedy" then claimed, when in the Presidential, to be a "severe conservative". Even Republican colleague, Jon Huntsman, called him a "well oiled weather vane" and Newt Gingrich came right out and called him a "liar"...Oh well. All's well that end well, and I think we can agree that this election has "ended well".

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Patrick Healy

2:32 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Oh, you mean like Obama did when he lied to the American people about the attack in Libya? Wait until this story fully comes out now that the election is finished. Thanks to the mainstream media (Candy and CBS) for helping with the cover up! They couldn't have done it without you!! But don't worry, I'm sure Obama's ever changing stance on social policies will change once again during the next four years, or will they now that he doesn't need their votes?

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A. M. Kelly

2:03 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Against Unions: Not only are you stupid, you're too rude and classless to be successful at any level.

You say the "feeloaders" voted for Obama?...That's funny, because this "freeloader" and her spouse are college graduates, live on the North Shore, have a shared income WELL into six figures, and, by the way, pay TWICE Mitt Romney's Tax rate.

Now how does that compare to YOUR lifestyle, AU? I'm betting you're not even close, and by the way, we all know that your use of "freeloaders" in this case really means "Blacks on welfare". Too bad you lack the gonads to just say it.

Janet Sirabian

2:29 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

I do not agree that this election "ended well". But I am happy that it has ended. I believe these election results are going to result in huge financial consequences for each and every one of us. And we appear to want to become a socialist society.

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A. M. Kelly

6:28 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Sorry, Patrick, but the supposed "lie" that Obama told about the attack in Libya has not been established as such. Romney's Lies about Obama were extensive and admitted to even by Republicans like former congressman Joe Scarborough.

In the meantime, you'll just have to accept the fact that Empty Suit and his party couldn't buy the election and he LOST. Next time get a REAL candidate that's honest and comes clean about his TAXES, his Flip Flops, and his Plan. Being a Rich White Male just isn't enough anymore.

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against unions

7:30 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Your so right Janet, but unfortunately most of the people on this thread are not very intelligent. Romney would have saved this country and most importantly our children. This is a dreadful shame. This country has turned into nothing but a bunch of entitled freeloaders. We are doomed.

LvofCountry

2:42 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

A.M.
1 of 2 people don't agree with you, but this is a democracy so we are left with the consequences. The country is split ~50/50, so each side needs to be willing to compromise and we will all pay more. Call Harry Reids office and ask how many bills are pending votes, see if he will tell you the truth.
BTW, Last week Obama said his policies were the ones that reduced the deficit. We all know that isn't true in the last 4 years. Proving my comment that repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

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A. M. Kelly

5:02 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Call the Judiciary and see how many federal judgeships are still empty because your republican congress decided they didn't want to fill in any of the vacancies. Then ask them to tell YOU the truth.
Sorry, Lv, just because you say something is true doesn't mean it IS...Stop watching Fox News for a moment and you just might get to learn what is.

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A. M. Kelly

6:38 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Not exactly, Lv..Obama won by a margin of about 48 to 50 percent, a larger margin than Dubya won over Kerry and John Kennedy won over Nixon. You can split hairs any way you like, but the fact is, the majority voted for Obama...You'll just have to get used to that fact.

LvofCountry

3:46 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

A.M.
"Of course there are many racially prejudiced people in this country who couldn't see a positive thing about him if they tried and they are often the same people who claim to see "arrogance" or "condescendion" in him...Because of this I can't help but wonder if they aren't really code words for for "uppity black man".

Shame on you trying to play the race card on me. That couldn't be further from the truth. Because a person doesn't agree with another doesn't make them a racist. I'll give you an example: When Obama said to Mitt Romney referring to the Navy "we have these things now called aircraft carriers and planes can land on them". Really? As if Mr. Romney didn't know that and you don't think that is condescending?

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A. M. Kelly

5:55 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Shame on YOU for standing by people like Newt Gingrich who called our president "The food stamp president" with NO one in your party calling him on that..Shame on you AND Mitt Romney who said 47 percent of Americans "coudln't be persuaded to take responsiblity for their lives" because they pay taxes, but are not wealthy enough to pay Federal income taxes and are often employed as firefighters, poiceman, and our military -- people who do the REAL work of this country. One of the reasons your boy lost, Lv, was because he revealed HIS condescension at a private fundraiser where he said he "didn't care" about those people.
Finally, shame on Mitt Romeny for both Lying AND "playing the race card" in his campaign ads which claimed with utter falsity, that Obama was "quietly removing the 'work requirement' from Welfare Reform, so as to play to his base". This LIE was completely discredited by EVERY news source in the country and Romney CONTINUED to air it, playing to HIS base who still believe the old "lazy negroes just collecting Welfare checks" stereotype.. So don't try and shame ME, dear, your candidate and his party lied more and stooped lower than any candidate or campaign in recent memory. even former Republican congressman Joe" Scarborough called him out on it this morning.
I do understand your resentment, though. .As comedian Bill Maher said "There's only one thing a tea partier hates more than being called a racist, and that's black people".

MS

4:01 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

We reap what we sow, and unfortunately we will soon find that out.

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RidgewayVol

4:24 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Unfortunate pattern has developed over the past few presidents - twice elected presidents are relegated to fighting accusations, investigations and impeachement proceedings in second terms. We should have one six year term for presidents. That's three different Congresses and a complete turnover of the Senate while in office. If you can't get an agenda done in 6 years with that type of arrangement, you shouldn't have been elected in the first place.

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Cole Pierce

6:28 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Harry Reid will be changing the filibuster rules. First off Motion to Proceed will be gone. You will be able to filibuster but a full vote will be taken. The Neodungs will have their vote on the record now. Second, there will be a time limit on a filibuster like there used to be.This is just a start. God Voted for Obama.

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A. M. Kelly

6:53 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Thank God for THAT, Cole. The Repubs overplayed their hand...When Bush was in office and Democrats were the minority, they threatened the "nuclear option" everytime thy were threatended with a filibuster....Now THEY will be made to "work" for their opposition, not just "vote no", like pouty children, angry because THEY lost the Presidency. ..

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Doug Purington

7:32 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Dan Jenks:

First of all, I and the rest of the residents of Highland Park who have spoken out with regard to the proposed rehabilitation of Rosewood Beach are ONLY opposed to the very controversial "interpretive center"! We have NEVER opposed "letting the broader community use Rosewood Beach"! That has NEVER been an issue! Rosewood Beach is sorely in need of improvements as it is the only swimming and recreational beach in all of Highland Park and we FULLY SUPPORT the wonderful plans that the Woodhouse architects have drawn up...with the exception of the interpretive center, beach house or whatever one wants to call it. How you came up with your assumptive statement is beyond me!

As for being a Romney supporter, perish the thought! He and Ryan are the worst set of candidates for the 2 highest offices in the land that I have witnessed in my lifetime. However, more worrisome than them are the 57M+ who did support them!

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Dan Arenov

7:20 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

at least the 57M+ who voted for Romney want jobs and want to work.

Compare and contrast to much of the Obama/Democrat voting base.

"i want my Obama phone"!

and this entitlement society is only getting bigger and taking hold as the new mentality in the USA. No longer are we the nation of do'ers.. we are becoming a nation of complacency, satisfied with the gubbermint taking care of us.

there were literally thousands of 'tweets' in the last few weeks of the campaign from Obama supporters threatening to kill Romney if elected and start riots... their main fear? He was going to take away their gubbermint benefits.

Face it, Doug Purington. This is Obama's base. He got him re-elected. You must be proud of what they stand for.

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Softball Jim

9:28 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Dan,

Your comments are just as wrong as a Romney's. You think that just because people voted for Obama, they do not want to work, they want free handouts? You are so full of B.S. You want to blame someone for the Entitlement Society you cry about. Look at those who inheriated millions of money and did not earn it. Those that control our country. The Entitlement society started when people stopped being parents and teaching thier kids about hard work, hard knocks, and trophy for everything. The Republicans lost this election because thier message was wrong. The Far Right Religous Republicans have ruined my party. Yes I am a Republican. Freedom to practice any religion in the USA has been long standing in this country. What the Far Right does not have the right to do is push thier religous agenda onto the American people as a whole. Your religion is your moral compass on how you should act ,live and treat others. The constitution protects all 100+ million people in the USA, not just the Christian majority. You have no right to tell my daughter or wife what to do with thier body. You have the right to decide what you do with your own body, not ours. If your religion is not for abortions or birth control then you should not get an abortion or take birth control. It is not up to you what other have done. My Republican party has been hijacked by religous zealots and I want my party back ! That is why Romney LOST !

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Softball Jim

9:37 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Romney Lost because, the Republican party refused to budge on any issue. They refused to work to 100% of Americans. They worked for the small percentage that would benifit. Each side should be doing what is best for the majority of Americans. Republican controlled house had an unprecidented amout of Fillibusters in the last two years. They refused to help get AMERICANS back to work. They wanted 1 man unemployed and did everything in thier power to make that happen, and still failed. 9+ million people are out of work and could have been employed if the Republicans had gotten their heads out of each other's rear ends and work for the Country not the party. That is why Romney Lost.
Romney lost because his party, my party, failed to accomplish any sense of working together for the majority of the country. Instead they hold the working class, middle class and poor hostage. This is the majority of the country. This is who both parties should be working for. When over 1 Billion dollars is spent on a 400K a year job, that is wrong. Super Pac's what a mistake that was. Signing pledges to Grover Norquist not to raise taxes of any kind or he will work to throw you out of office at the very next election? By signing that pledge you stopped working for the American people as a whole and are now Grover Norquist's B**ch ! That is why Romney lost. The Republican party has a message that the majory of Americans don't like !

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Gary

5:44 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Jim,
Which laws that you liked were stopped by Republicans?

Just Sayin

8:00 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

dan...Based on your spelling of the word government it is clear you are a racist. That renders your opinions those of a flaming idiot. Many a time watching the Romster I fantasized his getting a bullet right between his eyes. Not because government benefits would be taken away...but because he has the mentality of a used car salesman stuffed in a suit...and that is being nice. That job would be most befitting him now. But...I have to say...it is and will continue to be fun watching the republiCON's circling the drain in the years to come. You fat ass greedy bastards are a dying breed. If you can not see that...you are even dumber than I think...and that would not be a stretch. It's a new world and you guys will be left to whine and claw trying to hold on to the old one. Wake up before it's too late...

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Dan Arenov

10:41 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Just Sayin,

you are dumb and uninformed.

you hear these faux racist dog whistles where they don't exist.

Do you ever get on leftwing political blogs? When liberals are making fun of 'Christian rednecks', they mock them by using the spelling 'gubbermint'. I used that specifically to see which moron would cry "racist! racist!"

Also, my post that you reply to here spoke of the many idiots who had taken to Twitter to threaten physical violence against a presidential candidate.

And what do you say to that?? You say that you had fantasized about a bullet between shot between Romney's eyes.

This validates my point.

However, i'm not worried about you being violent...to the contrary, i'm pretty sure you are likely living with your parents and probably have for over 40 years. That's the way the liberals like to do it.

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Just Sayin

1:13 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Dan....pppppffffftttttt...spare me your drivel

Deerfield Resident

9:36 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

JUST SAYIN you are the face of liberal america and I am prejudice against you and all of your base because you are scum saying you fantasize about Romney getting a bullet. You are obviously an unemmployed mess who needs gov't help and the exact description of a decline in the quality of people in your party. You've found your enemy - I am a older white male (soon to be a minority) but I made my money the old fashioned way - I earned it. I didn't insist anyone give it to me! I pay more in taxes in a year than you will EARN in 10 years and do my share helping people. But your're the exact person I would never help and vote against! As you struggle this weekend trying to make ends meet in YOUR NEW WORLD - wondering who you can mooch off next - I'll be working my investments making sure you get none of it and securing the life for about 4 generations after me in my OLD WORLD. Hey liberals how do you like your base with JUST SAYIN in it?

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Walter White

10:34 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Enjoy your tax increase and thanks for helping to reduce the deficit. Any misgivings I have about letting the Bush tax cuts expire are usually washed away when people like you speak.

Softball Jim

9:50 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Deerfield Resident,
See that is why the Republicans Lost ! Your better than others attitude. Good you worked for you money. Many people earn thier money. I doubt you pay more taxes in a year than I make in 10. But tell me how does that make your rights more important than mine? Glad you can produce enough money to provide for the next four generations of your family. The new entitlement generation of America. Why should I work, my Daddy is rich, so he will just give it to me. I won't have to work I can mooch off my dad and hang out with Paris Hilton and snort coke all day. If you are making your money through investments, good for you, just don't call yourself a hard worker. A hard worker is someone who has to be up at the crack of dawn, out the door to work in a rusty old car, to work 12 hr days to barely provide for thier family. They person then goes on to a 2nd or 3rd job to be able to afford the vacations you take for granted. Oh wait, you don't go to the Dells for a vacation you go to the caymans to visit your money. They guy who saves for years to take his family to Disney World, oh wait you do not go thier either, You get to take that European vacation, with the whole family. You may have earned it, you definately did not work hard for it, and the next 4 generations of your family will work even less for it because they will be mooching off of you !Pompus A$$ !

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A. M. Kelly

10:16 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Softball Jim: Thank you for your intelligent and well reasoned comments. If we had more Republicans like you, this country would be far better off.

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Dan Arenov

10:46 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

yeah, Deerfield Resident sure has an attitude.. he worked hard during his life.

People like that are on the wrong side of the ideological fence at this point in time.. Our country admires those who sit on their ass and wait for the check to come.

How Softball Jim knows that Deerfield did not work hard for his money, who knows? He must be a liberal. They know a couple of tidbits and then tie them all up nicely to make a story..a narrative to support their socialistic ideology. And if you know any liberals you know that its ALL about the narrative.

Tom Danziger

9:50 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Talking about violence shuts the conversation down, just as illogical hatred does. As angry as we can get over politics, we have to live among each other, and do for the most part with great success.

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A. M. Kelly

10:07 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Dan...Your characterization of Obama/Democrats as "people who don't want to work" is so 1950's it's embarrassing. Try this on: My spouse and I have a shared income that is well into six figures, so we really don't need any "government handouts". That being said, we vote democrat. We're both from working class families whose parents worked hard, but didn't make that much. With hard work and some "government benefits", like public schools and state colleges, we succeeded. We're not "rich", but we're comfortable and we do NOT begrudge needy people What many on the Right fail to realize is that government is not " the enemy". We ARE the government -- You know, "Government OF the people, by the people, for the people?....We PAY for our government, so any "handouts" from it are those we as a society have agreed to through the electoral process. We pay for our schools, our roads, our Social Security, our Medicare, our Unemployment Benefits, and for our Welfare when it's needed. If people are in need and they get help, it's because we, as a society, have decided this is beneficial and necessary...All government programs came about because they were VOTED for, directly or indirectly through an elected representative. Government isn't perfect, but as citizens, we have a lot more "say" about it than we do corporations. I believe in corporations, business, work, but government must have a role. Capitalism without a government is like a football game without a referee.

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Tom Danziger

10:27 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

"Capitalism without a government is like a football game without a referee." Sound response. Also, perhaps we focus on entitlement spending because it is what we can see in our everyday lives. Do we not point anger at huge military spending because we (the general public) do not quite understand what our funding goes toward?

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Dan Arenov

10:50 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

"handouts"

Yes, we need a safety net.

Millions of Democrats have turned the safety net into a hammock, and they have zero intentions of ever pulling themselves up by the bootstraps to do better for themselves and their families.

Democrat leaders call these people "the base".

A. M. Kelly

10:18 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Thanks, Tom Danziger You are correct. We all need work together for the benefit of ourselves and the country we all love..

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Tom Danziger

10:42 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Sanity and compassion will always rule in the end. I want us continue to have these discussion as a country, but the "I'm going to take my ball and go home" attitude if things are not done "your side's" way is not logical thinking. Despite the comments here and throughout the internet, 50% of the U.S. are not all geniuses that know exactly what is needed to sustain economic growth and health quality of life, while the other 50% is clueless. We all want the same thing, so it is really about finding common ground to get there.

Deerfield Resident

10:38 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Softball Jim - didn't know your other name was JUST SAYIN? Where once did I say my rights were more important than yours? You just want my money and think I'm the devil for earning it. I earned my money from the ground up, will set aside colege education money for my grandkids but expect them to work for everything else. Thats how we do it. Now on to you..mayvbe if you had a College education you wouldn't still be driving a rusty car and whine about how hard you have to work. You're a JEALOUS FOOL....and a typical liberal thinking all people who are successful are the enemy. I probably employ you - somebody has to. Obama, Schneider, Pelosi - they're all rich - where's the critism there. Better check your breaks on the way to the Dells!

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Sandra Sims

10:56 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Perhaps you should spend some of that college money on yourself. Your spelling is atrocious. As is your reading comprehension. Softball Jim never said he was driving the rusty car, etc. Maybe that's why you and your type keep falling tor the right wing talking points that everyone is "jealous". Zero critical thinking skills. I will take my brains over your money any day. I can always make more money, but you are stuck with your stunted little brain.

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Just Sayin

2:43 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

DF Res...Besides being wrong about everything else...Softball Jim and I are not one. I agree with Sanda...I would rather be who I am than all the money you have ever made. Money comes and goes...stupid is forever.

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Just Sayin

2:45 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Sandra... Sorry I miss spelled your name.

Tom Danziger

11:01 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

If you are successful through hard work, you deserve to be able to pay for your grand kids college tuition, or whatever you want. My family worked HARD for the public (mom in a hospital, dad as a state parole officer), and will be able to do the very same thing. What's also important is that those who are not as well-off you, my folks, or others are not punished for making less doing jobs that are very much needed. The wealthy would not be wealthy without the workers who help them make profits, and wages have not increased with the cost of living.

I am young, so please help me understand: How come in the 1950's and 60's, a guy working at an auto plant could own a home, a car, pay for vacations and his children's college tuition (all on one income usually), but the ability to do that is eroding?

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Mike S.

11:12 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Umm, because the manufacturing and productive capacity of a good chunk of the rest of the developed world had been obliterated in WWII. Stop dreaming of days long gone as a solution, they aren't coming back.

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Dan Arenov

11:20 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

"How come in the 1950's and 60's, a guy working at an auto plant could own a home, a car, pay for vacations and his children's college tuition (all on one income usually), but the ability to do that is eroding?"

Because our public service employees get state funded pensions. It's a ponzi scheme perpetrated by Democrats for Democrat votes.

Here's how it works. Union leaders negotiate directly with the politicians. The politicians give them what they want...in return, they ask for the union employee's votes. This goes on for years and years even though the politicians KNOW that the system cannot sustain itself as payouts grow and grow.. what do they do? they continue to give the unions what they want and 'kick the can down the road'.

Guess what? Can is too big to kick now. Illinois and California have so much pension debt that it is crushing the fiscal solvency of these states to the point of bankruptcy.

People don't like to hear this, but this isn't some kind of "war against workers" as the Democrats like to categorize it. It's math.

Who will bear the brunt of this irresponsibility? Our grandchildren. Every kid born into our country right now has massive debt piled against him. We just went $5,000,000,000,000 more into debt in just the last 4 years alone.

Our unwillingness to deal with reality is screwing over our grandchildren's generation.

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Tom Danziger

11:29 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Thanks for the responses. Mike S., that sounds legit, although "stop dreaming" was not a needed addition to your answer. We were the only superpower in the world left (especially without colossal war debt). We had more food than we could eat, more materials than we could use. Yet, here we are. If we can no longer have the old days of good paying jobs that the "common man" can do to provide for his family, what is the solution? We cannot all be engineers, doctors and financial analysts, so how can we employ enough people with jobs that pay enough to cover the basic expenses of the American household? 10/hr is not working, but it seems like that is the route businesses are taking these days when they expand.

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Mike S.

11:50 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Sorry, how about "don't be tempted by reminiscing?" I'm not sure there is an answer and I'm not smart enough to claim I have good ones. In my opinion, we need far less obstacles to opening businesses and hiring workers. That does not mean "no regulation," since saying that seems to lead immediately to be being labeled a sympathizer with Somalian practices, but means consistent, robust, limited rules under which small and large businesses can operate without spending exorbitant amounts influencing, dodging, or complying with regulations. What would be your step 1?

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Patrick Healy

12:17 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Great answer Dan. Tom, are you blaming someone for the predicament you talk about? If so can I hear your thoughts on the issue? Who is to blame?

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Bucephalus

11:14 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Dan, your answer is a brilliant example of a "non-sequitor." You provided no answer to the question. In fact, you didn't even mention auto workers (or anyone else in a similar occupation) in your answer. You heard the question and then proceeded in a completely different direction.

Would you care to offer an explanation for how state funded pensions, which also existed in the 50s and 60s, have led to an erosion in the median income for blue-collar workers?

A. M. Kelly

11:20 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Thanks, Tom. You are correct in pointing out the discrepancy about "government spending" when it comes to our already bloated military. Suspiciously enough, Romney wanted to give them MORE than they asked for, just as he was saber rattling about Iran. As for those supposed 'entitlements", I thinkk we should call them "earned benefits" because that's what they are...We pay for our social security and medicare benefits and we're not giving it away to the One percent so they can give themselves another Tax Break....The One Percent who planned to dodge their fair share of taxes and pay for the Military Industrial Complex* on the backs of the Middle Class has just been given a big fat "No" and that is a GOOD thing. America has made a sane and sound choice in this election.

*Military Industrial Complex: Google the "Farewell Adress" of Republican President General Dwight D.Eisenhower for information.

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Patrick Healy

12:59 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

A.M. Kelly, no doubt that we should call 'entitlements' such as social security and medicare 'earned benefits'. We have earned them, but with the reckess spending by this administration, as well as total disregard to these broken programs, I doubt there will be any of my EARNED BENEFITS when I'm ready to collect them. That's why I supported Romney / Ryan. At least they were willing to tell the truth that these programs need to be fixed and it's going to hurt everyone! Or maybe we can just print more money to spend?

By the way, I'm over the election and have moved on. Back to work bright and early the next day earning a living which is more than I can say for the very capable democrats still on unemployment and unions accross the country that continue to suck off the tit of the government. You mention that being a RICH WHITE MALE isn't enough anymore. How about being a RICH BLACK MALE? That's OK right? Are you against successful males in general or just successful white males? Or maybe just successful people?? Why so angry, your side won! Do me a favor and list the top five reasons you voted for Obama. I'm very interested and don't mention anything about the other side only what Obama is going to do for the country that you like.

Deerfield Resident

11:31 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Sandroid ...I miss-spelled so your base could understand me!!! So you'd rather make fun of my (quick) typing than blame the idiots on your side for wishing Romney would catch a bullet? Anyone who wants more of other peoples money is jealous - earn it yourself! I'm not right wing I'm conservative, I believe in pro-choice and gun control. But this fooler we have in office is a socialist as are you. Let me guess, you're either a femistist who scares away men or are dating that new congresswoman from Wisconsin! Now you know why I keep my name private so people like "just sayin" don't creep out of their alleys and start shooting up the place or people like you can't knock on my door for a handout. I have to get back to work to pay your bills.

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Sandra Sims

5:38 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Haha!! You are SUCH a stereotype. You're hilarious! Also, a joke.

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Just Sayin

9:04 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

DF Resident...Fear not oh frightened one. I do not own a gun. I do have an impressive collection of walking sticks from around the world. Some of historical significance. I would never consider risking damage of even one of them to use as a weapon...especially on the likes of you sir. Your comments reek of fear...on many levels...but remember this: "The only thing to fear is fear itself". Therefore ... your enemies actually reside within. Get yourself some professional help.

Softball Jim

12:04 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

D-R,
Yeah I am pretty sure I don't work for you. I have been in the same job for 23+ years, so I am pretty sure I know who I work for. I too am college education, in fact I have 2 degrees, that I paid for myself, with no outside funding. Jealous of your money, Ha that is a laugher. I am an older white male, and like you said will some day be in the minority. However, I am in the majority as over time, I have kept up with the modern day thinking. I am a person who keeps up with the changes over time and can see that as everything in life does, things change. You either adapt and survive or you die like a dinasour.

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Just Sayin

2:52 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Softball Jim...you need not explain your circumstances...especially to the likes of that dinosaur. Ignore idiots who call you out...especially those who live in the ticky tack that is Deerfield.

Jim

12:24 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Everybody, keep calm. The economic and political realities will soon become manfest and if we are lucky some of us will have a place to live and something to eat. Might be wise to get out of the big cities and head for smaller cities and towns.

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Tom Danziger

1:41 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

I don't blame any one person, I don't think. I believe human beings are creatures of their self interests at their core, and if people can band with others with similar interests (thus "interest groups"), things can go too far, and resources will be allocated in a way that is unequal, and seems unfair to individuals/ or groups that lose out or get less. Notice I leave "resources", "interests" and "individual/goups" vague so that it can apply to various situations and view points.

I too don't know the solution (hence, all my questions), but I do know that no one side is 100% correct about the best way to solve this problem. So, the first thing I guess towards answer is having all stakeholders represented on a problem-solving discussion, with as much information given to the general public. That way, they (the public) can completely understand the magnitude of the problem, and see whether their representative (whatever side/ or interest) is being fair, just, and honest in finding reasonable compromise towards a solution.

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Gary

2:27 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Here's the solution:

"The best government is that which helps the individual protect their rights to life, liberty, and property. Anything less is a dereliction of duty. Anything more is an abuse of power."

Now where can we find a document to help codify that concept and create a government based on those principles. Well Shazayam!!! Look what I found!

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

How about that. It's all right there! The blueprint for creating a limited government with a balance of powers and built in protections for the individual against abuses of the majority. Why don't we give that a try?

Tom Danziger

2:46 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Great Gary, good job. Now, in what ways should the country go back to it's trusty handbook, and use it as a guide to solve the current problems?

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Walter White

2:48 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

I think powdered wigs would help.

Tom Danziger

3:12 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

@ WWhite I might be able find some bloomer pants, :)

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A. M. Kelly

3:19 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Dear, dear Pat...I see that I neglected to answer some of your questions, at least directly. No, I'm NOT against "successful men", white or black, in fact I married one...I simply want them to pay their fair share of taxes again. See, there IS an answer apart from "printing money" and it's pretty simple: Bring BACK the fair tax rate, because as Billionaire Warren Buffet asked "How is it fair that my secretary pays a HIGHER tax rate than I do"?
The particularly sad, but revealing thing is, is that all this anger and obstruction is about only FOUR more points on the tax scale. About 4 points more would bring the back tax rate they paid under Clinton. Four litle points -- that is ALL that the democrats are asking for and it is what ALL the fighting and intransigence on the Right is about.
It's what you must view as pathetic, at best, and toxically greedy at worst, especially when one considers that even the tax rate for the Super Rich under Clinton was FAR less than it was in the 50's, 60's, and Seventies, years in which, by the way EVERYONE prospered and we had the largest middle class in the world. ..And yes, Pat, unlike yourself, I suspect, I was an ADULT in those days who DID follow politics and the economy so I not only know this, I lived it, though anyone can avail themselves of the facts by simply reading up on the history of taxation in this country.

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A. M. Kelly

4:01 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Oh, Pat...another thing. You asked me, with somewhat questionable grammar, "Why you so angry your side won". Pat, I'm not angry. I'm actually very pleased and happy that Obama won, and I did not GET angry until I saw all the "anger", not to mention all the utter falsehoods being uttered by those of you who did NOt win.
You asked me to give you five reasons for voting for Obama. I'll start off with two: Osama is Dead. Unlike Romney who didn't think it was "worth" spending a lot of money to find the man who murdered over 3,000 of our citizens, I am grateful, as I think we should all be, that he eliminated this nation's Number One Enemy along with many other top Al Queda operatives.
Two. The man rescured the American Auto Industry and has given new hope -- and new jobs to thousands upon thousands. As I'm sure you recall, Mitt thought it should go bankrupt.
3. I find him caring, truthful, and trustworthy. 4. Unlike Romney, he understands and CARES about the majority of Americans, not merely the uber rich. 4. I LIKE his health care plan. I think we are desperately in need of a lower cost health care system which is affordable for EVERYONE. 5. I like his overall plans and vision for American MUCH more than Romney/Ryan's which would include INCREASING tax rates on the middle class as well as rescinding Obama Care and eventually substituting "Voucher care" for Medicare, so as to give more profit to insurance industry. .

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Millie

4:42 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

GM did go Bankrupt. Check it out

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Gary

4:48 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Romney wanted to let GM go through bankruptcy so they could restructure their debt and come out stronger, leaner, and more competitive on other side. That's the compassionate way to deal with a failed company.

Obama didn't save GM. He socialized GM's losses so we all have to pay for their bad decisions instead of isolating the losses to just their shareholders. Under government management GM's stock is low, and the American people are on the hook for 10's of billions of dollars.

Government run corporations are a bad idea. We don't want to repeat this model.

Romney was right.

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Kathie

4:53 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Sorry, you have a lot of your facts wrong. But I don't care to argue any more. I'm afraid we will find out soon what a mistake has been made.

But, elections matter and we respect that. This is the path that has been chosen by the majority. So, now it is up to you, A.M.Kelly and others, to prove your vision for who was best to lead was correct. Don't do it with more ugly words and attacks but with results. I'd be thrilled to see you prove us who didn't support Obama wrong. Then we'd all win.

Millie

4:44 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Middle Class gets a Tax increase of 2% 1/1/2013

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Millie

4:46 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

So tell me A.M. Kelly how much do you think seniors pay now for their insurance coverage

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A. M. Kelly

5:39 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

It depends, Millie, on the age and circumstances of the senior.

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Millie

6:50 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

A.M sounds like a political response to me

Millie

4:50 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Right now, the federal government owns 500,000,000 shares of GM, or about 26% of the company. It would need to get about $53.00/share for these to break even on the bailout, but the stock closed at only $20.21/share on Tuesday. This left the government holding $10.1 billion worth of stock, and sitting on an unrealized loss of $16.4 billion.

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Bob Miaples

5:02 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Ha funny, you credit Obama with finding and killing Osama. Sitting at a table and watching Navy Seals is hardly worthy of credit. Ya, I know...he made the call. Any idiot would have made that call after we lost our opportunity at Tora Bora. Dems can criticize Bush for another 4 years, like you've done the last four, but Bush did far more to hunt down Osama than Obama ever did.

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The Q

5:12 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Not only that Bob, but this is the same guy that criticized the Bush admin and voted against funding for these operations. Only to use Drone strikes to kill Americans overseas with no trial. He was one of the toughest opponents and only a handful of Dems took this position. Clinton gutted the CIA and Special Operations, Bush was the one would rebuilt the CIA and expanded the Teams to what they are today.

Hypocrite in Chief is what we have!

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A. M. Kelly

5:35 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Bob: No, of course it's "not worth the credit" -- it was done by Obama!..I'm AMAZED that the hatred coming from conservatives is so deep as to deny him credit for ANYTHING. We KNOW that if George Bush -- who ignored six months worth of warnings prior to 9/11 -- had done it, you'd be praising him to the skies. As it happens, however, Bush not only IGNORED every warning he received, he later said he "didn't think about" bin Laden "very much" when a reporter asked about him. So, no, Bob...I'm afraid you're wrong. The true "idiot" George Bush did NOT make the call and HARDLY "did more" to hunt down bin Laden than Obama, he did virtually NOTHING. In fact, after making his "don't think about him much" statement he CLOSED down the office that had been spedifically opened to find him, and I DO have the link to prove that, if you're able to endure that much reality. You are one of those who seems almost not worth talking to...You detest this man for reasons that probably do NOT go beyond his skin color and will not him credit for ANYTHING. Your blindness and your bigotry disgusts me.

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A. M. Kelly

5:56 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Oh, one more thing, Bob. Here's the link explainng exactly how Bush "did far more to hunt down Osama than Obama ever did", LOL.

Enjoy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Bush_administration

A. M. Kelly

5:12 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Kathie: I appreciate your willingness to accept the fact that the majority has spoken and that elections do matter. It seems a decided improvement over many of the others here, although I'd point out that simply saying I "have many facts wrong" does not prove that. If you want to find some respectable link that confirms your assertions, I'll be happy to look at them. In addition, I'd advise you, before attributing "ugly words and attacks" to ME, to first show WHERE I supposedly used such words and attacks and after that, check out the very same on YOUR side of the aisle. Addressing people as "liberal scum" as Deerfield resident has, is not, I'm sure you'll agree, exactly "civil".

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Millie

6:09 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

So A.M. what is the Dems plan for saving Medicare? At least R/R had a proposal

Patrick Healy

5:46 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

AM Kelly, sorry my grammar wasn't up to your standards, I had to get back to work and didn't have time to check it. Being condescending, kind of a professor type of a person runs in your party doesn't it? Starts with your leader.

Regarding Osama, I think Obama deserves credit as he was the President when this worthless bastard was killed. But that’s not the end of the war we’re in and will be in for the rest of my life.

Regarding the tax issue, do you really think now is the time to raise taxes, even on the wealthy, given our fragile economy? Also, do you really think that it's going to bring in enough revenue to fix the mess we find ourselves in? I think not but there’s something that is negotiable if Obama can get his own party to agree and he’s serious about cutting spending.

Regarding the auto industry, he saved the UAW is what he did, not the industry. It would be in better shape right now going forward if it went through bankruptcy.

Last thing I'm going to say about Obama; if he moves his ass from the far left to the center, we can get things done in this country to benefit all the people, not just the gays and those who think that Obamacare is the answer. I hope your doctor continues to accept Medicare after it's fully implemented.

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A. M. Kelly

6:38 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

"AM Kelly, sorry my grammar wasn't up to your standards, I had to get back to work and didn't have time to check it. Being condescending, kind of a professor type of a person runs in your party doesn't it? Starts with your leader"

Yes, Patrick. We call it "education" and "knowledge" and yes, we value it, as once even your party did. We're only sorry that your party now seems to hold it in such low regard. That fact was evident in what your party called the "primary debates" and we democrats called "the Republican Clown Show". Sorry, Pat...You see, the sad fact is, the republican party was not ALWAYS ignorant. There was a time when, they too, valued education -- even for "the masses" rather than just for their privately schooled children... Maybe that's why, insanely enough, they want to get rid of public schools...It's true that an Ignorant person is MUCH easier to manipulate than an educated one, so one can understand why the right wing elite, looking only for good serfs to serve in THEIR privately held companies, might desire that.
The extremism and "dumbing down" of the Republican party is why even people like Charlie Crist, Jeb Bush and Olympia Snowe feel they have "no place in today's Republican party". The party is now beholden to the most extreme elements like the Creationists, the Evangelicals and Tea Party who deny science and claim such geniuses as Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin. This is one more reason they lost the election.

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Patrick Healy

7:06 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Are you auditioning for MSNBC? You fit right in with Rev Al, Maddow, Eddy and Lawrence. A bunch of hate speech and lies that spread fear in order to keep their gigs. Kind of reminds me how Obama got a second term. It sure wasn't his record.

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Chris Miller

7:11 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

@Patrick Healy - "A bunch of hate speech and lies that spread fear in order to keep their gigs." - Something Fox News never does.

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A. M. Kelly

7:36 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Millie: If you'd listened to BOTH candidates you would already know what their plan was, so I'm afraid you're going to have research it yourself. it's not hard to find as it is, and has been on the White House Website for years..

Go to Whitehouse.gov. If you're really interested.

Jim

6:03 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Obamacare is just a waypoint on the way to single payor. The dems know that. The cost and quality of care in the next few years will be so bad that they will have to "fix" it. And the fix will be single payor with rationing. But with the level of public understanding of health and health care, they will never know the difference. Ultimately the only political question left will be about taxes; who pays them and how much.

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Tom Danziger

7:23 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Was there a need for a change to the past healthcare system in the U.S.? I believe before Obamacare, I saw polls that said the majority of citizens felt unsatisfied with healthcare in the country. I think that Obamacare took so much of the press, I never heard a lot about the conservative alternative, though I know doing nothing wasn't the solution.

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A. M. Kelly

7:51 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

"Am I auditioning for MSNBC"...No, dear....Are you auditioning for Fox News?...You sound just like Bill, Sean and Gretchen.

I initially felt there might be some hope for you, Pat, but I now see you're really NOT interested in learning anything.
"Kinda reminds me how Obama got elected to his second term -- it sure wasn't on his record"....No, Pat, not at ALL. Handling the worse economy in nearly a century, creating 4 million new jobs in one term, killing America' Number One Enemy, and bringing back the auto industry is certainly "no record", LOL.....Go back to your idiot Fixed News. It IS easier than thinking.

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Chris Miller

9:17 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Sadly, as evidenced by the comments on this blog, our communities will remain divided. Rational and civil discussions backed up with facts will never convince those who want to continue the divisiveness.

I admire your effort and thoughts, A.M., but I feel it's a waste of your good time. Too many commenters here want to continue to wallow in hate and anger. We cant change that. It's their issue, not ours.

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Millie

6:47 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Good thing the Republicans took over the HOUSE half way through first term. Got businesses to start hiring again

Tbone

9:05 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

I read this week an interesting perspective on the election that really hit home. It said that basically the American people shunned the american dream in Romney...upstanding man, married, great kids and family, gives back, successful businessman, living what the definition of pursueing the American Dream is about...he was rejected for an Obama do-over based on 4 years of failure. We have turned the corner in America, we have become a Nation wanting to be dependant on Government. We have FAILED!!!!

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Tom Danziger

9:36 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Yeah this division is awful. Tbone, are the Obamas not the "American Dream" too? How was that dream shunned? The President is married, has family, gives back, upstanding man (even those who dislike his character acknowledge he is a caring person). How other than business experience (which a lot of presidents haven't had), is he different character-wise from Romney, and how again did the American people shun that idea?

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LvofCountry

9:51 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

A.M. I just saw your hateful rant at me and many others on this sight. You inferred I was a racist. I'm not. Don't attack me, dear, because of your hate for Gingrich, Romney and others. You quote and stand by people like Bill Maher? The guy who has no respect for women. I see you have no shame, but still shame on you for trying to spread an outright lie. We are no longer going to let you define us as people we are not, its not right. If we disagree with your view point, you can't have an intelligent exchange of ideas you have to personally attack. I see you referring to many on this blog as racists if they disagree with you. When we bring up facts to try and have a conversation you attack our character, call us names and try and supress our free speech. No More. Stop with the hate and trying to paint people who don't agree with you as racist or stupid. That is a tactic by the Dems. If you don't agree with the Dem's then you are racist or sexist, etc, etc. They call you offensive names to try and keep you from exercising your 1st Amendment rights. Its not going to work anymore.

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Winnetka

10:23 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

What we have is an America that is no longer the light on the hill. Instead we are a country of makers now outnumbered by the takers. There will never be another Republican President. There will never be the Amercia those of us who are older than 30 remember. Now it's hate thy neighbor especially if they "do better" than you financially, what's yours is mine, and I deserve what everyone else works hard for. I've gotta hand it to BO, he really knew what he was doing when he played to the white guilt of so many to get elected the first time around. Then he embarked on a full speed ahead campaign to increase the food stamp and overall entitlement rolls. This combined w/ his constant goody giving to the unions and his venture capital game playing w/ taxpayer dollars-funneled to his green energy buds sealed the fate of the election long before the debates. That is why he didn't feel compelled to try. That is why he could've cared less about his reference to Ambassador Steven's death. as a "bump in the road". HItler also viewed his own countrymen "as bumps in the road". Be afraid...be VERY afraid. @ Ashley Judd....you may be "ESTATIC" today...I'm quite sure you will be "EMBARRASED" very soon when you realize you were simply a means to an end for your swell pal BO. I certainly hope you enjoyed your stay at the Penninsula...how fitting.

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Bucephalus

10:41 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

For starters, Winthrop's "City on a Hill" hasn't existed since about 1700, so if you are bemoaning the loss of his puritanical ideal, you are three centuries too late. The fact the is that time marches on and things change. Winthrop's "City on a Hill" never included religious freedom (see what they thought about Catholics) but today we count religious freedom as one of the core American ideals.

Did America die when Catholics were allowed to worship? Of course not. Did it die when slavery, an enshrined part of our Constitution, was abolished? No. How about when the income tax was amended into the Constitution? Nope. In fact the "golden days" of America came 40 years after the income tax, so things were going fine there.

The fact is that this hyperbole is just that, ridiculous blather. If you truly believe America is so easily destroyed then you truly have no respect for the strength of the institutions you claim to believe in.

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Dan Arenov

7:38 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Bucephalus, i think he was referring to the Reagan years.

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Bucephalus

11:02 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

And where did Reagan pick up that phrase from? John Winthrop. Claiming America as a divinely inspired model country is not something new in American rhetoric.

G.G.

10:33 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012

I'd like congress to work together as long as they cut spending... I'd like them to do their jobs, but for the most part, when congress gets together and "works", they are spending money (that's not theirs and that we don't have) all over the place. Gridlock isnt all that bad, and when it comes to new spending, i'm all for it! Maybe the dems will let a budget come to a vote sometime in the next four years..... We'll see.

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Dan Arenov

7:46 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

G.G: "..gridlock isn't all that bad"

The Republicans were elected to control the House in 2010 with a mandate to STOP the reckless Democrat spending.

They did their best. Yet, were demonized by the liberal legacy media as 'obstructionists', the 'party of no', the 'do- nothing Congress'..

They forget that the Senate is one half of Congress. And the Harry Reid run Senate is the worst in memory.

Did we hear ABC, NBC or CBS even mention that the Senate hasn't passed a budget in almost 4 years during this election cycle?? Imagine for one second if the Congress flipped and the Senate was run by Republicans! They would ALL have a "last budget passed on this date" scoreboard on their newscasts.

Yes, gridlock is what the Republicans are hired to do, when it comes to spending more money that we borrow from China and expect our grandchildren to pay for it.

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A. M. Kelly

10:33 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Yes, and maybe they could START with our bloviated MILITARY.

That's "government spending" too, but in any case, we can't cut our way to prosperity.

How about raising revenues by having Billionaires come back from their decade long Tax Holiday so they can start investing in their country again?....If Tax Cuts for Billionaires created jobs, as conservatives want you to believe, we'd be SWIMMING in jobs by now. Isn't that painfully obvious?
Beyond that, G.G, who do you want to cut?...Veterans?...Senior Citizens?..The Disabled? How about we cut the greedy, right wing crap instead?.

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Dan Arenov

11:36 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

maybe NOW Harry Reid can work on a budget?

It was not a good time, politically speaking, for the Dems to put forth a budget in 2010.

It was not a good time, politically speaking, for them to do it in 2011-2012, heading into another election cycle.

Now? President Kardashian is locked in. No more campaigning.. no elections for two years. Maybe the Senate can make the tough decisions now.

Raise taxes? cut the military? cut money out of FEMA, etc? unpopular decisions need to be made for the benefit of our grandchildren. This can is too big to kick down the road any further.

A. M. Kelly

2:20 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Chris M: Thanks so much for your insight and kind words. Sadly, I came to the same conclusion -- It is a waste of our time to attempt a civil discussion with the angry and close minded. As you say, it's their issue, not ours.

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Jim

6:05 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

According to the latest publications, about 3% of the population are psychopathic. In the US that would be 9 million. self-congratualation and self-love are two qualities in these folks.

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Just Sayin

1:34 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Jim...You sir are clearly among the 3% regardless of who won. Stop your infernal whining ...it's really childish.

Dan Arenov

7:52 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

I believe Obama's legacy will be that he was president when our country got passed up by China in GDP and that he was president when our credit rating was downgraded..several times to the point where we couldn't keep up with paying the interest on our debt. to China.

Our military will be weaker. We will suffer more attacks on the periphery.. and the Muslim Brotherhood, fostered by the Arab Spring (didn't the media love Obama for that??) will continue to gain power and traction and do their best to get rid of the infidels.

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b garrett

8:02 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

The liberal politicians and political correctness in vogue since the "great society" programs of Lyndon Johnson have destroyed our schools/ family values/ made us into a welfare society/and the "demographic shift" ie. less whites than " minorities" will perpetuate . those trends ....the goal now is to stay on unemployment insurance/ wic cards link cards / disability payments/ Obamacare. And of course higher and higher taxes to pay for the nanny state

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Just Sayin

8:50 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Deerfield Resident...I live in Kenilworth on the lake. You live in Deerfield. So much for your negative fantasies about me. You sir are a joke. Enough said.

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Jim

9:21 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Maybe Illinois could market itself as the US gulag and get paid by other states which might want to send their crooks, crazies and corrupt politicians to their natural habitat.

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NS Watchdog

11:22 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

I love how most of you are ecstatic that BO got re-elected, as if it changes anything. He didn't do anything his first four years except Obamacare which is a horrible idea and will continue to crush small businesses. Besides that, he did nothing. Sure, some of you can claim he killed Osama Bin Laden, but all he did was say Yes to the easiest question ever probed to man in the history of the world. I can't possibly understand why anyone, except minorities, which aren't really minorities anymore, would vote to give him four more years. He failed us as a president, broke almost every promise he made, and spent the last six months dividing the nation, pitting classes and races against one another. How can you approve or trust a man who allowed his campaign to be so maniacal and polarizing. He himself said in his speech at the DNC in 2008, "If you don't have a record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone people should run from." Well he proved to us in this campaign, that not even he can deny he failed the country the last four years. I hope you are all happy who elected him; more debt, more taxes, more government, more stagnant, if even that, growth. How Obama made 51% of the country despise and dislike Mitt Romney, one of the more glowing figures of success, faith, devotion, & dedication is impressive but proof of how evil he truly is. The worst part is, those who supported BO this election really just don't understand how much better our country could be with Romney

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A. M. Kelly

1:24 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

"I didn't get Mitt Romney for president!..Bwaaahh!!

Good grief, NS, where did you learn to whine that way?...Please tell me you're not over the age of twelve, because you sound like someone of the age of Ten!

Your little rant is so full of absurdities, I haven't time to address them all..

"Obama made people despise Mitt Romney"??..Excuse me..He "made" him?

Gee, apart from the excellent case that could be made that he did it all by himself, I had this crazy idea that Mitt, being all "presidential" and all, was at least a Grown Man...Is there something ELSE we don't know about him?.

Sorry, NS, but this one is all but hysterical...Apart from what I've already mentioned, you need to learn that no one can "make" anyyone dislike anyone else. Consider that Romney, with all his lies and dollars, couldn't "make" America hate the president. I give him an 'A" for effort and all, but he DID fail in the undertaking.

Good God, The Sour Grapes and "sore loser" mentality on this forum is almost frightening...You're whining, and blaming, and bawling like kids..Please..Grow up!

NS Watchdog

11:24 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Oh, and economists and analysts are already projecting we are going to enter into another recession. Fiscal Cliff? Pft big deal, keep spending!

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Jim

11:27 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Kenilworth used to be a nice place.

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Just Sayin

1:21 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Jim...My next door neighbor is named Jim. If you are my neighbor I would like to confirm we are still on for the 17th. Call me. If you are not my neighbor, I' ll take my nice lake view over the rock you live under. Enough said.

Jim

11:30 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Bernie Madoff fooled many "intelligent" people too.

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Just Sayin

1:27 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Jim...Bernie only fooled those blinded by greed.

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A. M. Kelly

4:10 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Just Sayin: Excellent insight regarding those fooled by Madoff, just excellent.

Deerfield Resident

3:36 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Just sayin.... You said you're from kenilworth.....No one with any tact from keilworth uses a moniker like "just sayin" - unless you're a kid.....and you're ripping Deerfield - 2 of your new reps live in deerfield! Judging by your last comment "JIM - BERNIE ONLY FOOLED THOSE BLINDED BY GREED" AND YOU LIVE IN KENILWORTH??????? you wished you lived in kenilworth because you ripped anyone who was successful.

Lets give facts here_ I pay 30% in taxes, contribute to 4 charities, employee 50 people with roughly 30 families...I GIVE MORE THAN I TAKE...
Oh... and none of my extended family sleeps with anyone of the same sex or has
anythng not resembling a traditional 2 parent family....

Your turn..fill in the blanks because anyone who lives in kenilworth either earned there money of which they s/b proud or they inherited it which isn't a bad way to go through life either...see I'm not a jealous person like you.

Well...lets see your stats...care to back off the kenilworth claim? Do you take more than you give? And maybe the people here in this little discussion will know to ignor your little quips. "just sayin"..prove you have the background to be in this forum or just go away and continue to mooch off the gov't

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RB

7:33 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Deerfield Resident, "Oh... and none of my extended family sleeps with anyone of the same sex or has anything not resembling a traditional 2 parent family". So, you must have a pretty boring Thanksgiving Dinner! Must only discuss football and you certainly would not be supportive so you'll not hear about any of your relatives being gay, they won't tell you with your attitude. Hopefully, they will find support elsewhere. Traditional 2 parent family? Would that include one like Newt has. Married 4 times, cheated on former wife with his current wife....but he qualifies for your 'traditional family' approach, along with David Petraius who had to resign today for cheating on his wife in his 'traditional marriage'. 50% divorce rate in 'traditional' marriages! You are an insult to society, stuck in the 50's and equality will win over bigoted attitude like yours.

Charles Johnson

3:54 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

I fear we have reached the tipping point predited by Alexis de Tocqueville more than 175 years ago: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”

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Jim

4:12 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

There seem to be an awful lot of folks who do not believe that and who believe that history does not apply to us. Hope you are not anywhere around when history proves them wrong. They will be very upset.

Deerfield Resident

4:39 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

A.M. Kelly Your another one...First....Obama doubled the debt and you said he's handled it? Second...good job getting Osama but it was inevitable and give the credit to our special forces of which YOU and your like don't want to fund! Third and most important, most "RICH" (of which you're obviously not) pay their fair share in taxes. I'd say 30%+ is enough don't you think? Sure few skate by but allot more of you liberals skate by with not wanting to work because it's more affordable to NOT WORK!
You won the election because your base is unfortunately growing and that's not a
healthy sign for any prosperous Country. I say to you this....if you do pay taxes....and you see a nice little tax increase in your mail soon...drop me a note and
maybe I'll take your interview for a job to help pay for it!!!!

4 more years of this fool and you'll all realize that socialism is death to any Country that aspires to be great instead of mediocre....Have a nice weekend - I will!

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A. M. Kelly

6:00 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Deerfield Resident: You seem to enjoy bragging about your "riches", but the odd thing is, you show so little of the intelligence, education or refinement commonly associated with that status. On the contrary, you seem like a greedy little money grubber, the sort often described as "Knowing the Price of everything but the Value of nothing".

I wouldn't trade my intelligence, values, or education for every dollar you might own.

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RB

7:34 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Deerfield Resident. Go join the Taliban, they are more closely aligned with your mindset.

The Q

5:38 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

@AM you have a distorted sense of history. No one had a better shot at UBL than Clinton. Terrorism is not one person, evidenced by Libya 9/11.....i know, i know it was the video.

But lets set some records straight:

Obama said Bush was unpatriotic for running up a 4T deficit in 8 years while he ran up a 6T deficit in 4.
Obama said he would leave Medical Marijuana to the States, while he directs the Attorney General to enforce the banking laws and uses the IRS to audit the Dispensaries, effectively making it impossible for them to operate. Lets see whats happens in CO and WA with legalization.
Obama used a Drone Strike in Yemen to kill Anwar al-Awlaki, he was a US citizen and born here, he was entitled to a trial of his pears according to the Constitution before he can be killed for Treason.
The information to get UBL was gotten by water-boarding and the Hunt for UBL began way before Obama became President.....that's right Torture, and another thing Obama said he was vastly against.

Gitmo is still open.....
Shall I go on?

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RB

7:36 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

And Mr. Bush lowered taxes and created our pitfall that Mr. Obama is finally pulling us out of. The Republicans need to dump the Tea Party and start reform or they will not exist in 8 years.

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Bucephalus

10:27 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Please explain the Bin Laden water boarding comment. Everything I have seen and read says the exact opposite: that it was not involved.

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The Q

7:12 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012

Leon Panetta, the CIA director, has confirmed that controversial “enhanced interrogation techniques” such as waterboarding yielded intelligence information that ultimately led to Osama bin Laden.

The Q

7:47 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

You think lowering taxes killed the econemy.......tell me how that's works?

What killed the econemy was policies to get every American in a home regardless of if they could afford it. Plain and simple. We have changed nothing rates are lower than ever and banks are still out of control. Only problem is investors are not a dumb to buy the crappy debt.

Nothing makes an econemy grow faster than low taxes. Just think about it, lower taxes equal more money to spend. Only problem is we have out of control govt spending so they have you fooled into thinking they know how to spend your money better than you do or you don't pay federal tax so you don't care.....

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