Schakowsky, Dold Help Defeat Pro-Life Bill
North Shore representatives vote against bill that would criminalize abortion based on gender.
A proposed federal law criminalizing abortions performed solely because of the gender of the fetus was defeated Thursday as Rep. Robert Dold, R-Kenilworth, joined six other Republicans in voting against the measure.
Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Evanston, voted against the bill as well, joining 160 of her Democratic colleagues to defeat the proposed legislation on procedural grounds.
Earlier: Dold Schakowsky Spar on Women’s Health
The final vote was 246-168 in favor of the bill, which required a two-thirds majority because its sponsors were trying to rush it through and needed a suspension of the rules to do so, according to Dold communications director Stefani Zimmerman.
Schakowsky was incensed that the Republican majority would try to suspend its rules for a vote on this bill because they claimed it fights gender discrimination.
“If you ask American women where gender discrimination affects them most, they will say in their paychecks,” Schakowsky said. “Today Republicans brought to the floor a bill that addresses a nonexistent problem in the United States.”
Addressing the issue of gender discrimination, Dold split with his party because he does not want to insert the United States government into the relationship between a doctor and patient.
“Abortions based on gender-selection are reprehensible, but federal legislative intervention and criminalization is not the proper approach,” Dold said. “These are serious issues, particularly in some foreign countries, but today’s legislation would obligate American doctors to police and report thought crimes.”
Deerfield management consultant Brad Schneider, Dold’s opponent in the Nov. 6 general election, had no disagreement with Dold or Schakowsky. He was angry with the right wing influence within the Republican Party.
“The fact that this bill even came up for a vote shows that Tea Party Republicans are more concerned about pushing an ideological agenda than getting our economy moving,” Schneider said.
Schakowsky explained that if the bill became law, just the suggestion of a gender issue in an abortion could force an unwanted pregnancy on a woman.
“A woman’s husband or parents by merely alleging that an abortion is because of gender (could) seek injunctive relief to prevent the doctor from performing abortion procedures, sending an incredibly private, personal decision into the courts,” Schakowsky said.
Eric Lieberman
8:09 am on Friday, June 1, 2012
Congratulations to Reps. Dold and Schakowsky on helping to defeat this legislation. But, were there "true-facts" behind the proposal to prosecute women who aborted fetuses on the basis of gender? Or, was it just another issue meant to distract us from the real issues that we must resolve?
Ingender.com, a website dedicated to presenting the truth regarding gender selection, summarizes the issue as follows:
"Although you may see a statistic that 42% of female fetuses are aborted compared to 25% of male fetuses, this figure is worldwide, and reflects the widespread practice in some East and South Asian countries of aborting many female babies. In the U.S., only a small percentage of abortions happen when it is even likely that the mother knows her unborn baby's gender, and there is no evidence that either gender is aborted more often."
You can read the whole report - which highlights that the vast majority of abortions are performed before the mother knows the sex of her fetus - here:
http://www.in-gender.com/XYU/Gender-Preference/
Eric
ejlieberman@gmail.com
Donny
10:11 am on Friday, June 1, 2012
And the liberals war on women rolls forward.
A. M. Kelly
7:39 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
Funny how only men agree with that, Donny!
Donny
4:13 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
A.M. Kelly, those are not my words. Want to take a guess who I herd it from? :)
Bonnie Quirke
1:34 pm on Friday, June 1, 2012
President Obama opposed the bill; he was joined by the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA), the nation's major abortion provider as well as Congressman Robert Dold. In fact, the PPFA sent an email memo to all House members on May 29th, warning them of its "intent to score" a vote for the bill, as a vote against "women's health". Also on May 29th, The Huffington Post reported that "no Planned Parenthood clinic will deny a woman an abortion, based on her reasons for wanting one, except in those states that explicitly prohibit sex-selective abortions." So, for PPFA, abortion for sex-selection is just another menu option.
A little history: Because of gender-bias and sex-discrimination, there are an estimated 160 million missing girls and women. This is a staggering number; it is roughly all the women in the United States.
If you haven't read Mara Hvistendahl's book, "Unnatural Selection: Choosing Boys Over Girls, And the Consequences of a World Full of Men", go to your library and read it. It is an excellent and deeply disturbing account of the "rampant demographic masculization" of the planet, and provides a comprehensive and detailed analysis of this complex problem.
Maybe the Congressman should read this book.
Bonnie Quirke
1:37 pm on Friday, June 1, 2012
Eric- No woman would have been prosecuted. Read the bill. Only MDs would have been. Not the point of the bill. Sex selection is always wrong.
Earl Weiss
4:07 pm on Friday, June 1, 2012
The headline for this item gives undue credulity to the anti abortion forces. They are simply anti abortion. Calling it their chosen mantra indicates support for their belief system.
Dan Pritzker
5:00 pm on Friday, June 1, 2012
God Bless Planned Parenthood and all of it's procedures and help it gives to women. I along with my family donate monthly, I hope many here will as well. The Republican war on women is sickening.
Vicky Kujawa
6:03 am on Saturday, June 2, 2012
The real 'War on Women' began with The Pill. Nothing caused as much harm to women's lives and heath as The Pill has. It's been great for business, tho.
Warren Anderson
8:25 pm on Friday, June 1, 2012
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil..." (Isaiah 5:20). Such is the rationalization of anyone that denies the personhood of a baby beginning at the moment of conception. Abortion is the sacrament of the Democratic Party. And abortion exists as a cancer on our society because people demand their sexual freedom.
Warren Anderson
RB
7:58 am on Saturday, June 2, 2012
Warren, thankfully the founders provided for the separation of Church and State. Now, it's up to the Democratic Party to preserve the freedom that that provides. Ideology Enforcers are trying to take those freedoms away in the name of religion. What you would eventually have is a Taliban type Government except a society Governed by the laws of Christianity. It does not work that way and has not for over 200 years. I guess you could find an Island for your society but Jim Jones tried that and finally went off the deep end. Separation of church and State, 3 branches of Government, Life and Liberty. All that small stuff you don't think counts....really does!
Jellybean1
10:03 pm on Friday, June 1, 2012
Abortion is a debate that will never end because it is against the moral values of a large % of our country. The other % of the country morally feels that it is a personal right to choose.
In my opinion, the government should get out of the way of both sides. Make abortions legal, but don't subsidize them or organizations that provide them with any tax money. Let those who feel strongly about providing low-cost/free abortions for the poor, like Dan Pritzker above, donate their own money to pro-choice clinics.
Each side will stand on moral high ground and say that this middle ground is bad for some reason, but it would be the most fair way to deal with such a divisive issue.
Vicky Kujawa
5:57 am on Saturday, June 2, 2012
Personally, I think a parent that would abort their child because it isn't the sex they wanted it to be are unfit to be one!
A. M. Kelly
11:24 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
I think aborting a child because of it's gender is hideous, and most democrats, who tend to have far more females in their ranks, and are generally more "female friendly" anyway, would certainly feel the same.
The only reason that Democrats did NOT support the law against sex selection is that it would would require very close, oppressive monitoring of doctors and patients, and to little or no avail...After all, how could anyone "prove" a woman would be aborting a fetus due to gender?...She'd have no reason to tell the doctor, ESPECIALLY if she knew it was against the law....In pointing this out, I have to say that I believe these laws DO have a place, but they would be in countries like China and India which have cultures where females are aborted routinely because of their heavily male-superior cultures.
We don't have that kind of culture, and while, regrettably enough, it might happen on ocassion, the instance of it is too rare and too difficult to prove to justify bringing in the heavy handed apparatus of law enforecemt.
Warren Anderson
9:34 am on Saturday, June 2, 2012
RB,
What will you base laws upon if you don't rely upon our Judeo-Christian heritage? The U.S. Supreme Court tackled this question in it's Trinity Decision in 1892. "This is a Christian nation, and its laws must necessarily be based upon the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind." If your religion is humanism (where man is the measure of all virtues and laws), then anything goes. What is to prevent us from reverting to embracing slavery and other evils as good things? Those kinds of swings in morality have happened historically for thousands of years. Finally, when you bring Jim Jones and the Taliban into our discussion, you typify the desperate, harsh rhetoric of the Democratic Party.
RB
9:51 am on Saturday, June 2, 2012
Warren, I respectfully suggest you read a recent posting on the concealed carry thread. Rich posted something about school vouchers in Louisiana that has students attending small Bible schools on vouchers and the money being taken away fromublic schools. Windowless rooms, no libraries, no modern math concepts, watching DVD's about chemistry or math interspersed with Bible verses, nothing about the theory of education for fear of 'confusing' the students. You and I probably disagree on a lot of things, but I bet we each got more rounded educations than that Republican initiated program in Louisana. Those kids won't have enough sense to form their own opinions about anything later in life. It is like the Taliban. That's what you can get if you don't keep things separate.
RB
9:52 am on Saturday, June 2, 2012
Theory of evolution (dang spell correction)
Warren Anderson
11:57 am on Saturday, June 2, 2012
RB,
Yes I had a better public school education in Chicago in the 50's than what kids receive in public schools today. You cite an isolated example. Private schools, charter schools, and home schools as a whole are doing a much better job in educating our youth than the public sector is. The data support that. Have a good day.
A. M. Kelly
7:35 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
Warren, you say you had a "better public school education" in Chicago in the '50s than 'what kids receive now".
Could that be because during the '50s our public schools were FULLY funded by a society that agreed that educating our kids was more important than bigger and bigger tax cuts for the wealthy?
Warren Anderson
9:40 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
A.M. Kelly,
Taxpayers have increased spending for public education over the decades by greater than the rate of inflation. Democrats have so little to run on in their quest to re-elect Obama that they must resort to talking about tax cuts for the wealthy. When the top one percent of income earners pay almost 40 percent of federal taxes, how is that unfair?
A. M. Kelly
10:20 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
"Democrats have so little to run on in their quest to re-elect Obama that they must resort to talking about tax cuts for the wealthy"
Hillarious...They must "resort"?...You say it as if tax cuts for the wealthy -- which Bush ran up the deficit to pay for, by the way, represents some strange, exotic view!.
The "top one percent of income earners" pay almost 40 percent in taxes"....Only on paper, Warren..They make use of numerous tax loopholes, which means they pay a fraction of that...When the Democrats made the modest suggestion that they close only some of them, Republicans adamantly refused....How's that for "fair"?.
I notice you did stipulate income "earners"...What about those now too rich to need to work, like Mitt Romney who laughingly describes himself as "unemployed"? According to what has been made public, he paid just under 14 percent last year. ..That, I believe, is what anyone would call unfair.
Warren Anderson
11:13 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
A.M. Kelly,
You miss the point. The "evil" wealthy that you complain about pay almost 40 percent of the nation's tax bill after using loopholes. Our problem as a nation is not too little taxing, but too much spending. There is not enough money held by rich people you demonize to wipe out our debt no matter how much we tax them. Churchill said that capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth, and socialism is the equal distribution of misery. Can we not learn the lessons of Greece and other troubled European nations?
Doug Purington
12:26 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
A.M.: you have it right! No way did the top 1% pay almost 40% in taxes! If they had, we'd be in far less of a mess. And President Obama paid 20.5% last year (compared to Romney's less than 15% for the past two years) and says he believes he should pay more. If Romney couldn't handle the needs of Massachusetts, how in the world could he think he could handle the United States?! Fortunately, he won't get the chance!
Tom
10:24 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
I have a small question on the side. Why wouldn't Rep. Schakowsky vote on the issue? To say you voted against something on "procedural grounds" doesn't tell us how you felt about the issue. Whether you agree or disagree, whether you're democratic or republican you know how Rep Dold felt on the issue.
A. M. Kelly
11:44 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
Warren Anderson.
First of all, don't put words in my mouth...I never said the wealthy were "evil" and I fail to see how anything I said "demonizes" them. What I DID say is that they should pay their fair share of taxes..Then again, Fox News may have convinced you that this amounts to the same thing, LOL.
Second, I'd have to see a link for that 40% you quote...Romney is actually on tape saying he paid "around 15%".
Have a nice day.
Bonnie Quirke
10:34 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
Gendercide is hard to support especially if you are a woman and it is baby girls that are being killed
Sandra Sims
11:01 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
It's also not an issue in the United States. Do try to keep up.
carli jones
1:03 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
"Romney will not get a chance" Doug, you are soooooo naive!!
Doug Purington
1:44 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
Romney, Republicans and the Tea Party are soooooo wrong for America!
Bonnie Quirke
3:06 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
Wrong for America, the land of the free- home of the brave? Or are you talking about a nanny state under Govt control?
A. M. Kelly
9:10 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Oh, Bonnie, are you so ignorant of the world beyond these borders that you fail to realize that imagining the near possiblity of the U.S. becoming a "nanny state" is a sad joke?...The US is the ONLY country of all the western industrialized nations in the world, Australia, Canada and ALL of Europe, that has a for-profit health care system which results in higher costs across the board AND the preventable deaths of more people, since the only ones benefitting are the health insurance companies themselves?....They make a PROFIT from denying claims and actually letting people die because saving them with, say, bone marrow transplants Big Insurance still laughlingly calls an "experimental" procedure" would cut into their profit margins?
Please...The US is currently closer to being a corporate run oligarchy of the "profits over people" variety than any "nanny state".
Donny
4:14 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
If there was a pro-life bill, it would look like this.
A. M. Kelly
4:36 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
A "nanny state"?...What a joke...America has the SMALLEST Safety net of any nation in the western industrialized world, and the Right want's to kill even that..The only people living in a "nanny state" in this nation are the richest one percent who benefit from tax cuts, tax subsidies and the idiocy of republican voters.
Warren Anderson
6:30 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
A.M. Kelly,
The source for the almost 40% as the amount of tax revenue that comes from the top 1% of income earners is the National Taxpayers Union and the IRS;
http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html
The top 1% pays 36.73%, the top 5% pays 58.66%, and the top 10% pays 70.47%. Rich Republicans and Democrats can legally get by paying 15% or less, depending on where they invest their money. The top marginal rate for regular income is 35%. Long-term capital gains are taxed at 15%. Municipal bond interest is tax-free at the federal level. Cities and states pay less to borrow money because of the tax benefits to holders of municipal bonds. If you think Congress should raise those tax rates, you must consider the adverse consequences. JFK spoke to the Economic Club of New York in December 1962. In that address he advocated lower taxes as a way to stimulate the economy and generate more revenue for the government.
If you recall the 2004 presidential race, John Kerry was not questioned about his wealth or his tax rate. He is much richer than Romney. But the Democrats keep hammering away at Mitt because they cannot defend Obama's record. Hope and change has not worked. We have big problems that demand big solutions, including both entitlement reform and tax reform.
A. M. Kelly
11:13 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Warren Anderson,
The underlying issue are whether the top 1% is paying its ‘fair share’. That can be rephrased to mean whether the top wage earners are contributing in taxes in proportion to their share of total income.
JFK advocated lower taxes for the wealthy, because the top tax rate was close to 90% and the tax code was riddled with loopholes so nobody paid it. Indeed, the data presented by the National Taxpayers Union can be interpreted to show that generally lowering income taxes on the top 1% increases overall income tax revenue. When you follow this reasoning to its extreme, a 0% tax on the wealthy would result in the highest revenue, which is logically impossible. Therefore, one must find the point of diminishing returns – when lowering taxes on the 1% no longer proportionally increases revenue.
The numbers show we have passed that point. The NTU numbers show that over 20 years (1986 – 2006) the total income taxes paid to the treasury by the top 1% has increased from 25% to 40%, a 63% change (25/40 X 100). Over those same 20 years, the adjusted gross income top 1% has increased from 12% to 23% of total adjusted gross income, a 92% change (12/23 X100). So while the 1% have increase their share of total income by 92%, their share of income taxes has increased by 63%. Somewhere we passed the point where making the rich richer has increased revenues proportionally.
I've exceeded my character limit, so I'll deal with Kerry in a separate post.
Audrey
8:54 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
Jan Shakowsky and her progressive friends never met a child they didn't want to abort.
Sandra Sims
10:59 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
That is so offensive in every way. Typical right winger, you think God is on your side and everyone who disagrees with you is evil. And people wonder why nothing can get done in this country. Try to work out compromise with someone as tiny minded as you. Disgusting.
A. M. Kelly
11:48 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Audrey...That's garbage, even by RW standards.
Bonnie Quirke
9:21 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Here are some examples of federal legislation that address gender discrimination, the absence of which laws, however, will never result in the death of a human being:
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin
The Equal Pay Act of 1963 (EPA), which protects men and women who perform substantially equal work in the same establishment from sex-based wage discrimination
Title II of the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008 (GINA), which prohibits employment discrimination based on genetic information about an applicant, employee, or former employee
The Civil Rights Act of 1991, which, among other things, provides monetary damages in cases of intentional employment discrimination
The Equal Credit Opportunity Act, which prohibits creditors from discriminating against credit applicants on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, sex…
The Fair Housing Act, which prohibits discrimination in the sale, rental, and financing of housing based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex…
Perhaps Congressman Dold had a different agenda in mind when he voted against banning sex selection for baby girls?
John Brinkmann
11:24 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
I'm no fan of jan, nor dold---but truth be told, their both right on this one
Warren Anderson
1:54 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
A.M. Kelly,
The Laffer Curve demonstrates that there is an optimum level of taxation in terms of maximizing revenue to the government; lower levels as well as higher ones yield less revenue. In terms of "fairness", this is a buzzword for Democrats that they never quantify. Some would say that a flat tax is fair. Others would say that a national sales tax is fair because the more you are able to spend, the more you pay in taxes. When you decide to enact steeply graduated income taxes, the government is essentially confiscating money from one segment of the population and giving to others who vote for candidates that promise more goodies. The Frenchman Alexis de Toqueville said that "America will cease to be great when her people realize that they can vote for themselves largesse from the treasury." I think we as citizens need to give more to charity. I once heard a high school teacher say that she intended to give more to the Lord's work than she paid in taxes to the federal government. I have sought to make that my goal. Thanks for your thoughtful comments.
Winnetka
8:44 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
I voted for Dold. He was SUPPOSED to be a conservative, no-nonsense, pro business, low tax legislator. He's happily given taxpayer money to "fair housing" non-profiteers, he's clearly not on the side of the unborn with this latest stunt. He is a MASSIVE DISAPPOINTMENT AND SHOULD BE VOTED OUT. Talk about a RINO...he fooled me once...but he won't twice. If he wants to be shakowsky's lap dog...he can do it on his own time.
Warren Anderson
9:25 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
Winnetka,
I vote for a RINO like Dold because he is the lesser of two evils. I also held my nose and voted for Kirk and John Porter before Dold. But I never contribute a dime to any candidate that is pro-abortion.
Bonnie Quirke
11:26 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
amen
McCloud
6:57 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Would this bill have prevented the one that Obama pushed for when he was a Senator? In that one, if a baby was born during a botched abortion attempt, Obama was ok with the doctor smothering the newborn to death, since that was the intent of the patient.
McCloud
7:37 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Actually, Jan voted for the baby to be smothered too. Way to go Jan!
A. M. Kelly
8:27 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
McCloud: Hasn't President Obama had enough lies told about him without you adding one more...Please...Do you really expect anyone to believe that a doctor could legally "smother" a breathing fetus that resulted from such a circumstance?...That would certainly fit the legal definition of murder and it is highly illegal. What the question arose from was anti-abortionists' attempts to mandate an active "rescure" of a fetus resulting from that situation. Along with many others, then-state senator Obama voted against that mandate, which results in the fetus simply being left alone....I think everyone realizes this is to be a very sensitive issue, but doctors and nurses who are uncomfortable with abortion are permitted to opt out of performing or assisting with them without that decision affecting their employment.
A. M. Kelly
8:29 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
McCloud: Total bullsh*t, but I'm sure the right wing dummies believe it.
McCloud
11:09 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Well that clarifies everything, is an in- active rescure some fancy way of placing this sensitive issues into a more pleasant place?
A. M. Kelly
11:41 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Strangling is indisputable muder...If you're not able to make the other the same without LYING, then it looks as if you lack confidence in your own opinion.
Bonnie Quirke
11:32 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Sandra Take a deep breath. One does not side with people who solve social problems by killing. That is why we are called civilized. Barbarians kill for the pleasure of killing and to solve their problems.
Our country was founded as a nation that is comitted to caring for those who cannot care for themselves.There is no one more helpless than an unborn baby.
A. M. Kelly
11:46 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Are you kidding?...Our nation was founded on stealing Native American lands and slaughtering of any that got in our way....That "caring for those that can't care for themselves" thing came about throught the efforts of DEMOCRATS and Democratic presidents like FDR and LBJ.
Republicans never found a "caring" bill like Medicare and Social Security they didn't hate...Hate and brand as "socialism"
As far as "caring for those who cannot care for themselves", why is it that all this right wing "caring" goes out the door when the baby is BORN?
McCloud
11:45 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
You are the one who is trying to differentiate the two, not me. May God have mercy on your soul.
A. M. Kelly
12:19 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
No, McCloud, the LAW differentiates the two. .and by the way, your self-righteous small self might remember that God doesn't think much of LYING either.
McCloud
11:56 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
We care, you just are not intelligient enough to overcome your bias.
A. M. Kelly
12:33 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
BWHAHAHAHAHA!...As a Rightie, I suspect you don't care much for things like "objectivity", but putting that aside, I really must tell you that EVERY objective study of Conservates and Liberals concludes that liberals are generally smarter and more highly educated than conservatives.
Bonnie Quirke
12:02 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
A.M. Kelly, So what was done to the Indians is an excuse for today's killing of the innocent unborn?
Earl Weiss
12:10 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Ms. Quirke, while I understand your opinion and respect your right to have this opinion, their are those such as myself who reject your opinion and consider any terms with regard to killing something that has not been born to be an oxymoron.
A. M. Kelly
12:28 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
No...It's simply a refutation of your argument regarding the origins of this country, although I hate disillusioning the often hillariously uneducated right wing...It's just that it becomes emabarrassing, at times, one of those being when Michelle Bachman told us all how the "Founding Fathers fought slavery from the beginning", LOL
McCloud
12:08 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
I'm surprised Bush isn't to blame for this.
A. M. Kelly
12:21 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Really?...I'm surprised Obama isn't!...As for Bush, well, as I recall, you blamed him for ANYTHING...Back then, it was all CLINTON's fault, LOL!
McCloud
12:25 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Actually, Obama sponsored a bill for this, so there is empiracal evidence showing his lack of respect for life.
McCloud
12:45 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Your pretentiousness embarasses me. I feel sorry for the small thinkers who understand everything from creation, life, metaphysics, and stimulus bills.
A. M. Kelly
1:15 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
McCloud: Yes, so much of anything resembling logic or critical thought seems to be interpreted by the Right as "elitist" or "pretentious".
Too bad you never understood the value of education...The fact is, many of you embarrass me, not to mention millions of other educated Americans.
Try educating yourself, bro...
McCloud
1:23 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
I forgot you have studies that prove you are smarter than me. They are probably written by the same guys who told Obama the private sector is doing great.
A. M. Kelly
1:55 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
As long as they're not written by the same people who told Romney to let the Auto Industry fail!...Osama is DEAD and the auto industry is alive!
Oh but who cares, right?...Let's keep talking about abortion!..What's sad about you Righties is that you don't realize how the Repubs manipulate you with wedge issues, like "god, guns, and gays"...You should count back to how many
supposedly "pro-life" presidents we've had, and then ask yourself WHY Roe vs. Wade is still the law of the land...If they were serious about getting it struck down, it would be gone by now...The thing is, it WORKS for them and while I'm sure a few are sincere, (certainly not flip-flop Mitt who was "pro choice as governor) for MANY more, it's just a way of getting people to vote AGAINST their own economic interests...The Repub leadership doesn't care about anyone not pulling in at least a million a year, wedge issues be damned.
McCloud
1:51 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
One last point, you know Mr Kelly you may be right. Strangeling the baby may be more humane than turning your back on the baby gasping for air and fighting for life. Maybe you are smarter than me.
A. M. Kelly
1:56 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
One last point, McCloud...What makes you assume I am a "mister"?
McCloud
2:05 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Perhaps your caustic and careless outlook on human life led me to think that you are not a woman.
A. M. Kelly
2:38 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
LOL, "perhaps", but not likely..The fact is, most men think everyone ELSE is a man, except for women whose bodies they want to control.
By the way, you have NO idea what my "outlook on human life" is, you only know I'm not rigidly anti-abortion.....Like I said, I don't deal with witless liars, so goodbye.
A. M. Kelly
2:30 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
McCloud:...Gee, in addition to lying about Obama, you now want to lie about ME?
Do not even TRY to put words in my mouth, especially since YOU are the one who seems obsessed with "strangling a baby"...I never SAID it was "humane", I said it was MURDER...You the one who tried to pass it off as "legal".
Sorry, bro..I refuse to have a battle of wits with unarmed opponents and I do NOT deal with repeated LIARS.
McCloud
2:59 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Sweetheart, "not rigidly anti-abortion", whatever helps you sleep at night.
A. M. Kelly
4:36 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
"Sweetheart"...I have no problems with that...Good luck with the lying.
steve shay
4:22 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
I am siding with Bonnie Quirke because, based on the above comments, A.M. Kelly is a misguided bully.
A. M. Kelly
4:47 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Now THAT should teach me a lesson, right, Steve Shay, lol?
Frankly, I would "side" with the argument that made the most sense to me, personal characteristics aside, but that, generally, is asking too much from wingnuts.
Warren Anderson
5:11 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
I have kept silent too long about A.M. Kelly's delusional thinking regarding liberals being more intelligent than conservatives. I am board-certified in two medical specialties. I have served as chair of the board of trustees of a college and a university. I have known countless intellectuals from both Republican and Democratic camps. Virtually all of them are civil in their discourse about politics, theology, and other subjects. Studies show that about 20 percent of the population are liberals. Because liberals control the media and the entertainment industry, much of the uneducated populace is easily swayed to vote Democratic. If no people believed in the idea of a free lunch, the Democratic party would virtually die. The message of the Democratic candidate is: "Vote for me, I will give you free goodies, and it will really cost you virtually nothing because we will tax the rich more." This fulfills the prophecy of the French writer Alexis de Tocqueviile: "America will cease to be great when her people realize that they can vote for themselves largesse from the treasury."
Brian
5:51 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
How can you make a broad based statement about uneducated voters being democratic? Your argument against her saying conservatives aren't intelligent is just saying that democrats aren't intelligent, but you yourself are. Uneducated is such a broad term anyway. If we took a poll through the vast farmlands of our Midwest, we would find many many republicans who didn't finish school and are thus considered uneducated much in the same way you are implying inner city residents are uneducated.
The Right also loves to preach on the free lunch idea. Yes, we (the left)like to help others. The nation would be great if we could count on everyone to donate time and money of their own accord on a grand scale. That doesn't happen. I'm not rich...I don't even own my own home, but I am doing better then a lot of unfortunate souls here in America. If some of my tax money can go towards helping them, I'm ok with that. Yes, there is abuse of those systems by both constituents and politicians and that should be fixed, but that doesn't mean those programs don't help people get on their feet again.
RB
6:10 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Warren, are you describing a fiscal conservative, a social conservative, both or Republicans? If you think the Republican party of today is a fiscal small Government conservative party, I've got news for you. Small minded ideology has gotten in the way of small Government. Republicans today want individual freedom as long as they are the individual. They want Big Government when it comes to social ideology enforcement and Small Government when it comes to anything that benefits regular people, (especially now - when so many people need the safety net) or regulations to prevent another mortgage and economic meltdown like Bush 43 oversaw.
McCloud
5:28 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Good luck with holding together your support for a President who sponsored a bill to force a doctor to turn his back on a baby grasping for air and fighting for life. For a President who said passing the massive stimulus bill would bring unemployment down to 5.6% by 2012 when the manipulated index remains at 8.2%. For a President who has added more dent to our national debt than all other Presidents combined. Saved the auto industry? That must be the new hope your guy has been smarmy about. Fact is, the taxpayers are on the hook for 40 billion, but the Obama propaganda folks are not counting that in the earnings ratios. Bottom line is you grasp at straws and support a guy who is a failure on economics and in favor of killing babies and you know it.
McCloud
5:30 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
And Jan Schakowsky is right there with this failure in the white house along with Duckworth.. Vote em all out!
McCloud
6:58 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Especially now when so many people need a safety net? Perhaps we all need a safety need from Obama, Reid, Pelosi and Shumer. After 4 years the clear evidence with each GDP and job index realease, Obama is a failure, and people need jobs not safety nets. The anemic economy has not improved under your dear leader, time for change to give all of us hope.
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John C Thomson
8:36 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
All I know is that when it came down to killing the unborn or saving a women from cancer, Komen got kicked to the curb.