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What Businesses Would You Like to See in Downtown Libertyville?

Do you think there is something missing downtown?

 

With the recent closures of two downtown Libertyville businesses—Wisma and Soccer Plus—we want to know: what would you like to see in those spots?

Soccer Plus announced earlier this month that it would close its Libertyville and Palatine stores. The Libertyville store closed and its merchandise was moved to the Palatine store for a liquidation sale, according to the Daily Herald Business Ledger.

More recently, Wisma closed its doors Jan. 15. A sign on the door read: "Thank you for your patronage. Effective 1/15/13 Libertyville Wisma is closed. Please visit us at our Lake Bluff Wisma Store."

Wisma owner John des Rosiers couldn't be reached for comment.

What would you like to see in these vacant storefronts? What do you think is missing downtown?

Share your thoughts in the comment section!

Related Topics: Business, Downtown Libertyville, and Village of Libertyville

Sue

12:33 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Barnes and Noble. I still like the feel of a book and the Barnes and Noble at Westfield Mall is always busy.

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Nicole Bushing

6:39 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

this whole town has turned into a bar...Wisma never got it, their hours were ridiculous, they should have offered great coffee and home made scones, Coffee like Intelligensia, their window display was a hot mess, nothing inviting..Businesses uptown don't get it. Highland park gets it. The have the tea house that Billy Corgan owns, a great theater that is clean and plays Indi films. You need to get stores that already carry a customer base since new beginners have no clue to fill a nitch and make it one of a kind. Look at the small coffee and scone place in Wimette, they sell out of scones in an hour and offer rare coffee. I hope someday Libertyville will figure it out

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gary schlesinger

8:24 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

it is not a question of libertyville figuring it out. the villiage and main street lib. can only do so much. it is up to the individual store and business owner to figure out what the community wants, or needs, and then fill that vacuum.

this survey is a small start.

as for coffee, there already is starbucks and caribou. how many coffee houses can one town support?

there used to be shoe stores, clothing stores, a chandlers book store, the sportsman. the movie theatre was cleaner an more appealing. in the early 1970s there was a woolworth dime store. all gone now many due to hawthorn mall.

niche specialty stores will do well if they can attract a clientele.

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Bob

12:01 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Marked for Dessert had Intelligentsia coffee and the best scones I've ever had. They also had the strangest hours I've ever seen for a bakery. Open at 10am?

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GirlOnTheGo

7:54 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Highland Park has its own issues, too. They are not impervious to stores closing up, in fact they recently lost Saks and Corner Bakery.

Libertyville could definitely be an upscale shopping destination like Highland Park, Evanston, Geneva, etc. However, it will never happen if people continue to have a negative attitude about what is already trying to take root in town.

Niche stores can do well, but residents will have to understand that these stores are not trying to be like or compete with chains like Crate and Barrel, Pottery Barn, Williams-Sonoma. As of right now, those stores are the Gold Standard, which is not setting the bar very high at all.

Heather Giles

8:30 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

I agree with the comments above however, I'd rather see a small quaint bookstore rather than the large chain. Also would love to see a specialty childrens/baby boutique (like in Northbrook). BTW...What is going on with the Japanese restaurant ...is it ever going to open? Would love to see Sushi Thai move closer into town with a larger place!

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Bob

12:05 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Shakou Sushi is opening in late February. It is really taking shape now and will be spectacular.

gary schlesinger

8:36 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

in the 1970s there was a wonderful kids clothing store in the strip mall on the north east corner of 21 and 176. family owned. owners got old and could not sell nor convince children to take it over. same thing happened to langworthys dept store in town.

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Gabriella Pantle

10:15 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

A good old-fashioned jewish type deli with NY style bagels, fresh baked bread, deli meats, cheeses, etc.

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Jim Noll

1:58 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

YES YES and more YES to a Jewish deli...just like the original bagel and bialy in Buffalo Grove!

Erika

10:16 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

I agree with a specialty baby and kids store. With boutique clothing, specialty toys and baby gear.

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Dave Bushing

12:44 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Starbucks and Carribou is not the same as having Illy's or Intelligensia. I have to come to the fact that we will NEVER be an Evanston or Highland park, no Whole Foods, No great cafe's, No good boutiques. The only way for a business to stay is being a chain and the proof is in the pudding. Starbucks, Carribou, Egg Harbor, Wild Berry, all chains and they made it. That new dog store up town needs to go to Evanston and see the dog bakery there. Big Difference, I just don't go up town. If I want to go somewhere I drive.

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GirlOnTheGo

8:06 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Chains do not make a town great, nor should they be the standard that every other store is held to. There is no comparison between the purchasing power of a national or international company and a family run business.

Large chains receive large tax incentives and through loop holes and do not contribute their fair share (based on sales) to the community, actually only about $43 out of every $100 that is spent vs. $68 in an independently owned store/ restaurant.

Ask Mariano's to donate to your church's fundraiser or your child's little league, it won't happen. But, more than likely if you come downtown you're going to get some support because they believe in the power of community. Community is a two way street, both ends need to support one another.

So, basically the town will be great if we just allow "successful" chains that are a dime a dozen to open and become a glorified outdoor mall? As a town that is on the national historic record, I can't see how that would be beneficial to any of us.

Jim

1:01 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

A Italian Deli with a outdoor grill like Tenutas in Kenosha, a Banh Mi sandwich shop, the old Bernhardt's bakery with the best cardamon coffee cake and cookies in the world, the old Bao's chinese carryout on Rt. 137 or someplace that serves really fresh, light and healthy chinese food, a California Pizza kitchen or a duplicate of Great Lakes Pizza in Chicago, a buffalo wing shack, "TV Dinners"-no, not the kind you microwave, the kind you see on the "Food Network" shows-a restaurant that serves only the dishes from top food shows or how about a restaurant that serves all the "regional" dishes from around the country in one place(lobster rolls, fish tacos, chili's, gumbo, etc.), speaking of chili-remember the old "Smokehouse" by Jewel-they had great chili with the rib meat mixed in. OK, that's about all I can come up with off the top of my head. P.S. please support Sunset foods and Darango mexican restaurant on Washington street, I would like both to stay in business because both have great food. Thanx

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Treana Bushing

4:21 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Sunset is the only place to get good meat

Melinda Blankenhorn

1:37 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

I would love to see a tea room! When I have guests in town, we go to the tea room in downtown Antioch for a wonderful 'ladies lunch', then shop there.

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Treana Bushing

4:20 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

exactly, two so far on here get it

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GirlOnTheGo

8:15 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

I would love to see a a quaint tea house with a large selection of nice teas. Some place quiet to read a book or catch up with friends. Beautiful snacks would be a bonus as well.

Lisa Collin

1:43 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Young Moderns was the name of the children's store. And after a trip there, we'd go to Smith Shoes to complete the outfits, and if we behaved, Mom would take us to 31 Flavors afterward!

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Karen

1:52 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

I'd like to see a Lululemon open up in town the closest one is Northbrook. I'd also like to see a Trader Joes..

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Bob

2:15 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Trader Joe's is going in across from Lowe's. There is a Triathlon specific athletic shop going into the old Blockbuster store. It's not Lululemon but it will carry many similar performance athletic items.

Jim Noll

2:01 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

I would like to see a restaurant that specializes in different kinds of salads...like in The Glen...I think it is called CHOPPED. Like a giant salad bar!!!

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Judy

2:39 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

I wish we had a nice card shop. Someplace that carried a wide variety of traditional and newer, handmade type cards. Not just a shop with a few racks of cards like we have now, but a full size card shop - even a Hallmark would be great.

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Kathleen

8:41 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

There is a good card shop: How Impressive! just south of Viva la Vine.

MJ Leewis-Kirk

2:49 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Missing Present Moment and Abby Ames Attic, type of store. a local touch and yes, they had a wide variety of cards that had character and were unique!

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GirlOnTheGo

8:16 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

I think that Singalila fills the void of the much loved and missed Present Moment. They have lots of beautiful, inspirational gifts.

Ed

3:24 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Part of the problem is that our town's population is decreasing each year, just look at school enrollment. We need more retail and manufacturing. Trader Joe's will hurt restaurants just as Mariano's did. Is Rancho Grande closed for good? How many times can Tommy's get busted for serving underage drinkers?

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Michael Fagan

3:24 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

A spice store like The Spice House (Evanston) or Penzey's would be great.

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Treana Bushing

4:20 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

now that is for sure, sick of driving to Evanston for the Spice House, love that place. Now your taste is good

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Jim

5:12 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

I agree with the Spice House and maybe a Williams-Sonoma store. How about a high quality men's casual clothes stores like The Territory Ahead.
P.S. A Pita Inn will open in feb. in Mundelein-try the shish-kabob sandwich.

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GirlOnTheGo

8:18 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Someone's in the Kitchen carries spices, I'm sure if the demand was there they would have a larger selection. But, people need to be vocal about what they are looking for.

Between Someone's in the Kitchen and Oh Olive, we basically have the independent counterparts to WS.

Treana Bushing

4:18 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

wow, baby shops and wing shacks, what a nightmare. I was thinking a classy approach and more urban. Pizza places, Barnes and Noble, well Borders went out of Business in HP. Tea Room for sure..Sushi is so 10 minutes ago. It is hopeless, thank God for a car to get a taste of the city, this town will never get there.

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gary schlesinger

5:54 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

borders went out of business nationally.

libertyville never was the city and probably never will be. it was a small farm town that got transformed into a bed room suburb.

Mr. Friendly

2:23 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

More bars! Milwaukee Avenue... aka DUI highway every Friday and Saturday night!

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Nicole Bushing

3:24 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

tea house, spice shop, Red Hen Bakery, and a great Middle Eastern Restaurant.

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Kathleen

8:52 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

The comments here indicate that Libertyville doesn't know what it is and what it wants to be. Libertyville has changed a lot. (I've been in the area since 1983.) With all of the bars, tattoo parlors and "spas," I feel as if Libertyville likes to think of itself as Bedford Falls, but acts like it's Pottersville. It used to be a much more family-oriented town, with a strong focus on children. Now it's focus is food and drink, drink, drink. The stores that catered to families and children are the stores that keep disappearing. Even if they don't disappear, a lot of them are having a really rough time. Markets shift, and there is usually a difference between what people say they want and what they really want. They vote with their dollars.

Having owned a store in down town Libertyville, I can attest to the fact that these retail, niche stores have a rough time. Let's face it: you don't shop down town because it's too expensive. The rents are fairly high, and small shops have a lot of overhead to cover. Even if you carry things that you can't readily get anywhere else in person, you are still competing with the Internet. People will walk into your store and pull up Amazon on their phones and order it right there, usually for 30%-50% less. Niche stores have no buying power if they are not a chain.

Real money is at risk in these shops, and they shouldn't be viewed as window dressing for the town's main drag. You have to shop at these stores, or they will close.

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gary schlesinger

9:03 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

no, the comments responded to the question which was what do the responders want to see in down town lib. different people want different things.

shopping in town is not too expensive. the cooking store has comparable prices to william sonoma and is more convenient. the bootery has good shoes reasonably priced and again very convenient. the chocolate shop must be doing ok. it has been there over ten years.

perhaps your store did not work because the goods offered were not what the public wanted to buy.

rents now should be low. there are empty stores here and elsewhere. those who charge rents too high continue to have vacancies.

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Kathleen

9:19 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

We had a toy store with a lot of educational toys. As we were preparing to close, another toy store moved in. That one lasted only a year. Evidently, people in Libertyville do not want toys. Again, it's my observation that a children-centered or family-centered store does not do as well in Libertyville as they were doing many years ago. The Soccer Plus store was in a high-rent spot--really high. It may be lower now, but keep in mind that a lot of stores moved in when rents were high.

Someone else made a comment that school enrollment is down. Most of the people who raised their kids when mine were growing up are still here, which may indicate that the market shift has to do with those children now being 20-somethings who were raised here and their parents. Again, it is just an observed shift in the market, and the stores you mentioned would do as well in a primarily adult market as in the family-centered market.

That said, too expensive is a subjective concept. A lot of people are struggling right now, and they are looking for bargains, making it even tougher for niche retailers.

gary schlesinger

9:23 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

people in lib. do want toys. my wife and i frequented that store weekly. it was not downtown. it was not on milwaukee ave at rockland. it was on rockland so not that visible. there was no advertising in print or mail. i never found it on line.

the goods were great. reasonably priced and the owners very helpful. we were told there were about 100 loyal customers but they needed 300. it seems to me that they did not seek them out by advertising.

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Kathleen

9:58 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

My store, Whatsit & Doohickey Co., was on Milwaukee Ave downtown. Toy Station was on Rockland, and it was a secondary location for Toy Station in Lake Forest. Both TS stores are now closed. Toy Station opened up right after we had made the decision to close. Of course, they didn't know that because we closed a few months later.

We also had a base of loyal customers, and we really appreciate those who came by often. But to cover all of your overhead you need a larger average ticket or more customers or better wholesale pricing. I agree that we did not invest as much time and money as we should have in advertising and promotion.

I'm not expressing sour grapes here, but using my experience to illustrate what I have observed as a change in Libertyville. There may be others reading this that are thinking of opening up here, and Main St. and the EDC are not going to give them anything but positive feedback on whatever they want to open up, regardless of the market. If someone is thinking of opening a store in Libertyville, they should look at what kinds of stores have not made it over the past several years and study that. Can they do it better? Maybe. We don't regret the experience, because many good things came out of it.

In any case, other than a baby boutique, not one person here has expressed a desire for something specifically family-oriented. Tea rooms, Trader Joe's, spice shops...you get the picture.

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Libertyville Mom

11:34 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

I wondered what happended you your store. I bought a $25 gift certificate and soon after the store was closed! The guy/owner? at the counter never mentioned that the store was closing!

Ed

10:29 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Kathleen - I mentioned school enrollment being down, and it is. Libertyville's population is getting older and not as many "young" families are moving in. The Toy Store failed caused they were opened from 10am - 5pm, when kids are in school and the parents are at work. The Internet has hurt small retail business more than the "big box" stores, the overhead is much higher now which makes it harder to stay competitive. Has anyone seen how many house are up for sale? It's getting too expensive to live in L'ville which is taking away spending money from families.

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carol J. Biegalski

10:46 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

It would be nice to have a bookstore/used book store that had an open stage for local musicians on weekends. It could be combined with a tea/coffee shop. They could hostess book clubs and writing groups.
Another great addition would be an Art Gallery with original Art. We need places to enrich our lives, not places to just numb our senses

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OLDtimer

7:57 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Lived in L'ville long enough to tell you I used to go to the AP downtown and pickup grocerys for my Mom. Libertyville has changed and not necessarily for the better. I try and tell myself to shop downtown, I love the Olive Oil store and will miss WISMA. Lovin Oven lost my business - way too rude. Libertyville needs to attract consumers with time and money and that means - KIDS. My HS kids hang at Chipolte and 5guys. They often go right passed the cook area when the wallet is less full and go to taco bell and Mcdonalds. I expect any business that doesn't like the tween/teen demographic to struggle.

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gary schlesinger

10:14 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

i have never had a rude or any other bad experience at lovin oven. always helpful friendly, free cookies to the grandkids. great products. reasonably priced.

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Brian

12:04 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

I have heard others speak of poor service at Lovin Oven, but I haven't received it either. Like Mr. Schlesinger my experiences there have been great. They did a great job on my son's first birthday cake and the woman at the counter was extremely helpful.

QT Pie

11:17 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

I'd love an eclectic coffee, tea, scone, yogurt, new/used books, cards, some live music type shop that is open til at least 11p. A destination *besides* bars.
Another cool idea is we always visit in Key West. Called "Better Than Sex," it's wine, coffees, teas, and lavish desserts ONLY, open from 9p-1a. Almost pitch dark, a flashlight is provided to read the entertaining menu. The place does fabulous business! I'd love one here!

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Kathleen

11:52 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Libertyville Mom: You very likely purchased the gift card at least two months before we closed. We were originally planning to stay open through Christmas, but found that we were not able to do so. We closed out all merchandise through the month of September. We announced the closing to Patch, on FaceBook, and posted a lot of signs.

That said, I will be happy to refund your unused gift certificate if you still have it.

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JJ

12:47 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013

How anyone can suggest that we need another niche shop is beyond me. Per Kathleen's experience and comments, we all love the idea of a toy store, but when we can find these toys on Amazon at 50 - 75% of the price, we'll buy there - especially the big ticket items that provide decent revenue for the small shops. The problem is not a demographic one: My wife and I are city transplants with 2 young children, and there are tons of residents just like us.

A retailer that survives will have to attract walking-distance residents on a regular (weekly) basis. I would love to see a butcher/fresh produce shop in town. As a resident right off Milwaukee, I can walk to get almost anything but fresh groceries. I could see making daily trips into town with my kids when I get home from work to see what we can make for dinner. A focus on locally sourced produce would guarantee a constant variety. All of the new residents on School Street in 2013 would probably keep such a place alive single-handedly.

A tea shop might work, but it would have to drive either Starbucks or Caribou out - there's not room for 3. A good one probably would drive one of them out. I think a good deli downtown would also work. NYC Bagel on North Ave in the city is a good example of what a crowd a delicious breakfast sandwich can bring. Even better, put in a deli that serves good coffee....

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