Kirk and Dold are just continuing the absurd party-line pantomime that has succeeded in making the U.S. Congress a wasteland. Stop with the stupid-talk and lets discuss answers to these HUGE, CRITICAL and COMPLEX questions that we are facing as a nation, a nation that can, unlike Congress, work together and a nation that generally does, unlike our Congress, accept and like each other.
Gentlemen, i am embarrassed by you and i suppose i must be embarrassed FOR you, too because you don't yet seem to get it.

I predict predictability in the comments.

I predict that Schulte will soon commence his rants and personal insults.

The mere fact that you use the term 'Obamacare' in the headline shows me that all hope for no-partisan reporting by our Patch editors has flown out the window.

The Declaration of Independence was actually signed on July 2nd, so it is fitting that this discussion take place today. The American Thinker (AT) website has an excellent article on the origins of the Obamacare law. The Obamacare law dates back to at least the 1940's. The following is an excerpt from the AT article:

"Such were the kind of characters that Obama's mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, worked with to advance a government takeover of health care in the 1940s. They called themselves "progressives," but in truth, they were hardcore communists trying to advance Marxism, with a government takeover of health care as a crucial step."

Read more:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/supreme_court_helps_obama_fulfill_dreams_from_his_communist_mentor.html#ixzz1zT3SiDQH

I predict that when the middle class see how its going to effect them in a few years. They will start Whining

Can we start referring to this law as "THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT?"

Ms. Meyer, the Affordable Care Act does nothing to make health care in America more affordable. According to the Congressional Budget Office, Obamacare will increase the total cost of health care.

Calling Obamacare law by its name is propaganda.

It's been 47 years since Medicare was enacted. I have not heard a single person or politician say it should be repealed. Medicare is required - it's even required for civil servants. And frankly, it's a blessing for people facing the rising costs of getting older. It guarentees medical care for people over 65 (and some other groups as well.)

I do not believe that how much money someone has should limit their access to health care. (And I'm not talking plastic surgery here - I'm talking about yearly physicals, innoculations, and the basic care involved in getting healthy and staying healthy.) The PPACA is a start towards that, and, despite the compromises that had to made to get it passed, it's a good start. Like Medicare, it covers everyone, and guarentees a basic level of coverage for all.

Let's not make people get sick and die because they can't spare the money for basic health care. We're a better country than that. As a nation, let's make the decision that people don't have to decide between staying alive and staying healthy.

And in making that decision, we don't have to call it socialism. Let's just call it common decency.

You know I read the comments and all I read is pure idiocy.this partisan politics needs to end. We are not the United States of Republicans,nor are we the United States of Democrats. As to health care,it is grossly mismanaged by the insurance companies,and yes,I really don't favor a government takeover. On the other hand,there needs to be a happy medium. The health of people should never be a business decision. Are we now the nation that decides if we deserve good healthcare...rather the ability to pay for it. What entitlements shall we eliminate...how about Medicare...better as your mom and dad first if it's ok to take their health plan away. Sure, Obamacare may be a bit flawed,but I'll bet your bottom dollar that if this same plan came out of the republican think tank..gung ho would be the action being taken. But, neither side wants to play fair..both have good ideas,but in politics today,either party believes its our plan or no plan. Quite pathetic having children running Congress

Thank you, Alan...You are absolutey correct.

For those who weren't around at the time, it's important to know that when Medicare was being enacted, the Republicans also opposed that and called it "Socialism"...They said the same thing when Franklin Roosevelt started Social Security. Now people in both parties LOVE these programs...So much for the predictable bs about "socialism".

we have almost 50 Trillion in financial obligations..........Medicare, Social security, ponzi scams that don't work. ACC is more of the same.

I agree with Gil, why does the headline say Obamacare? The law is called the Affordable Care Act and anyone saying Obamacare is already making a partisan statement. There are several good items in the act: allowing children to stay on their parents health insurance, making insurance companies not discriminate against pre-existing condition. Those two items alone make the law worthwhile. I wish we had the Canadian healthcare system, I have worked within that system and people are happy with it. Since we don't have such a system, for now this is a step in the right direction.

"Mr Romney, the Republican nominee for president, promised in the aftermath of the court ruling last week that he would “act to repeal Obamacare” on his first day in office."

". . . .the top Republican in the Senate, Mitch McConnell, said on Fox News that Republicans would use the same legislative manoeuvre to undo Obamacare that Democrats used to pass it in 2010."

Source: Financial Times

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/be50ebce-c399-11e1-ad80-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz1zTNBe4gf

Let the American people decide whether or not Obamacare should be repealed. If you support repeal, vote for Romney. If you support Obamacare, vote for Obama.

That's what the election is about and, oh yes, the Obama economy.

The "act" is just that. While insuring people is a noble idea, the numbers should make every citizen (regardless of party ideology) a bit sceptical. The proponents of the act estimate it will cost 1.9 trillion per year over ten years to provide insurance to approximately 30 million uninsured people. For that kind of money, I think you could open a health savings account for each of them with a pretty good chunk, and save all the administrative costs.
A better plan would be to open a healthcare fund that allowed double deductions for every dollar donated to it. There are plenty of wealthy individuals and corporations that would participate in that.
The liberals are applauding Chief Justice Roberts while the conservatives are upset. This means they don't understand. By reaffirming the mandate as a tax, the act was upheld. Now, the tax can be repealed without a super majority in the senate. Had the act been struck down, there might have been a hiring boom and president Obama would have benefited in November. As it stands, hiring will be kept low, he will get credit for a mostly unpopular law and the congress can easily reject the new tax. Proving Roberts is a very slick conservative. To boot, it gives the impression that the SCOTUS is fair and impartial.

"I simply hope we are mature and compassionate enough as a nation to make basic health care available to all."

"Death panels" are not compassionate. Socialism is not a mature view of life.

Socialism destroys human beings and societies. See Greece, Cuba and North Korea for examples of socialisms in practice.

I think that Obama should work to repeal the Affordable Care Act because he promised that families that make under $250,000 a year would not see a single dime of additional taxes.... and it affects the wrong 1%!

On Sunday the Chicago Tribune reported the State of Illinois Medicade program is reducing benefits because it is short of funding. Under Obama care, Medicade recipients will increase by 30-40%. At a minimum health care to these who most need it will be reduced to a level of being almost non-existent. Most likely, it will bankrupt the State of Illinois Medicade system. The only alternative would be a huge income tax increase which Illinois just cannot withstand.

We should take it and run with it--improve it first by getting a public option so there's some competition in the exchanges, and then work for Medicare for all. All those who see it as a government takeover, socialism nonsense, aren't looking closely at it. These same people love their Social Security and Medicare. These same people don't realize that besides the greed at the top of the healthcare pyramid, many of the increases in insurance and health care costs for the currently uninsured are passed along to those who already have insurance. This law essentially is asking everyone to pay their fair share if they can; everyone gets sick, young and old and when you least expect it or can afford it, and this way the pool is bigger, hopefully eventually reducing the costs to those who already have health care coverage and are paying for the uninsured to visit emergency rooms. I suggest you turn off the corporate media, especially Fox, and do some real research; you'll be surprised. I also suggest everyone go to the AMA site and print out their article on "The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act: Overview of major provisions relating to coverage." I now carry this with me so that I can review it with people who have no idea what's offered and what they're gaining.

It would be cheaper to buy the uninsured a policy that rewrite the entire system.

http://youtu.be/uKCWbq18bNk

Try it first, its better than nothing

The uninsured are uninsured for a reason. The insurance companies should have an overhaul on how THEY mandate our health care. They're raking in the big bucks and making decisions on whether or not you can have a procedure. Ummm..my doctor doesn't know better than an insurance company?? I worked in insurance for 25 yrs. Regulate them!

Chances are very few if any commenting here have ever taken care of a patient in any health care system and to some extent therefore are on shaky ground when recommending how to provide health care. A few things are clear: The emergency rooms will get busier becaise 30 million more insured patients will not find physicians and know that they cannot be turned away from ERs. Physicians will work fewer hours and some will not take Medicare or Medicaid. Most primary care will be provided provided to the poor and middle class by non-physicians. The cost of health care will go up as the insuranc e companies raise their premiums to cover the added risk of the mandate for pre-existing conditions and older children. Malpractice suits will increase because of the added activity and inefficience being introduced into the system. Nursingt homes will go out of business because of their inability to meet care standards on less reimbursement. Who is going to suffer in all of this? The patients. By the time they figure it out, the toothpaste will be out of the tube. Medical care is all about communication and altruism. Goodbye to all that.

BTW, Has anyone thought about why the congress exempted themselves from this law. Gee, I wonder why.

This is all political theatrics and tactics leading up to the election. It's getting ridiculous, especially with last week's contempt vote against Atty General Eric Holder. Leaders, please start working for the people instead of your own personal agendas.

Excuse me, but most of the country that does not have health insurance now, have lost it because they can't afford it. How is now FINING people, because they don't have it going to help their financial situation? What kind of backwards, selfish thinking is that?

So, is this Atty General Eric Holder going to be swept under the rug and again Obama goes singing along like nothing happen????
This Obamacare is just a Wagging The Dog issue!!! People need to open their eyes and Ears and see that This Government is using us hard working people for their benefit!!

Is jan Schakowsky a moran???? There are Many Many insurances that carry kids till 26 way before OBAMA!!
So what is she talking about??? Brainless as always!!

Average Cost per Person by Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development
Source : www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/2/38980580.pdf

--------­-­------ Per capita costs for the year 2009 ----------­------

United States........ $7,960 .... 100% of US per capita cost.
Canada.................. $4,363 ...... 55% of US per capita cost.
France.................... $3,978 ...... 50% of US per capita cost.
Germany................ $4,218 ...... 53% of US per capita cost.
United Kingdom.... $3,487 ...... 44% of US per capita cost.
Japan..................... $2,878 ...... 36% of US per capita cost.

Using the Canadian model and applying their per capita cost to the US population, we could cover EVERYBODY AND SAVE over $3,597 per person per year.

IMAGINE : No Fuss. No Bills. Everybody covered. No bankruptcies due to medical bills.
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Look at the savings again :

That's $3,597 (In 2009 US dollars).
That's $3,597 per PERSON (for every man, woman and child).
That's $3,597 per YEAR.
That's $3,597 per person per year - EVERY YEAR.
That's $3,597 per person per year - EVERY YEAR - FOREVER.

We can no longer afford to ignore Single Payer.

Carmen: I assume you live in the Northern suburbs and I must say I would ashamed to be your neighbor. You are so typical about all we hated about Bush! I thought we got rid of people like you at the last election

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/06/30/wsj-chief-economist-75-of-obamacare-costs-will-fall-on-backs-of-those-making-less-than-120k-a-year/

WSJ CHIEF ECONOMIST: 75% OF OBAMACARE COSTS WILL FALL ON BACKS OF THOSE MAKING LESS THAN $120K A YEAR

If this 'Obamacare' is good enough for us, then it should be good enough for them! If they're exempt, something stinks!!! I'm a self-employed musician. I have an HSA Policy with a $5000 deductible, but I have insurance and I would rather have this than some backassward policy the Government is forcing. This can't be good. We'll have to pay and pay and pay and pay...and THEY'RE exempt??? WAKE UP!!!!

Here is a breakdown of what ObamaCare is:
http://www.reddit.com/tb/vbkfm

It's easy to read and straightforward. I hope this clears up any confusion.

This is not about free market healthcare. It is about free market insurance. Those are very different things.

We have never had problems with doctors. We have had plenty of problems with insurance companies paying for what doctors need or believe they should do.

"But for some of these low-income seniors and disabled patients, the transition has been anything but smooth, forcing severely ill patients to give up their doctors, delay treatment and travel long distances for specialty care." -- http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-managedcare-disabled-20120702,0,7549313.story

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year -- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161869/Top-doctors-chilling-claim-The-NHS-kills-130-000-elderly-patients-year.html

The Truth about Obamacare from a Health Insurance Broker -- http://csteventucker.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/how-bad-is-the-democrats-health-care-reform-bill-really/

Obamacare law contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses -- http://www.atr.org/full-list-obamacare-tax-hikes-listed-a7010#ixzz1zTXuZUYl

This law is absurd. Get this socialist out of office. ~Mitt Romney 2012~

You can't just count the fines, you have to count the people that purchased health insurance because they were coerced into it. Then find out how much more the poor and middle-class are paying.

1. Get rid of the monopoly exemption for health insurance companies (don't know why they have it anyway)
2. Get rid of state and federal mandates and allow any insurance company to compete nationally. (People will be able to pick what they need themselves)
3. Give the tax breaks currently allowed for healthcare by the employers, and give it to individuals purchasing insurance. (Again allowing people to pick the insurance they need and increasing competition)

Allow this to work, and it should bring down rates, and increase access. If this doesn't work, then add to medicare and maybe regulate previous conditions.

@Alan Nudelman....

1. You are correct, the term "death panels" is not explicitly written in the law. I think politicians are a little smarter than that. And yes, someone will not review someone's name and go thumbs up or thumbs down. The point is once government is the only mechanism for paying for health care (except the super rich), rationing will have to occur to save costs. This point is undeniable.

2. As for private insurance going out of business, you are incorrect. If the law is fully implemented, employers will eventually figure out that paying the fine for not providing coverage is cheaper than an annual policy. All these new people will then look to the state exchanges. These state exchanges will be heavily govt regulated, and at some point private companies will be losing so much money that they will close shop. And then bingo, government will have to save the day and have their own plan. This is the domino theory that WILL happen if fully implemented, and it's part of the liberal long-term strategy.

3. If it is repealed, don't worry, some private companies will probably keep some of the coverage provisions (youth to 26, pre-existing conditions, etc.). They will do that from media pressure. However, the rates will continue to skyrocket. You can't bring down costs by constantly adding more benefits. Nothing is ever "free", as much as liberals would like that to be true.

I did not want to comment after reading all this nasty political conversation rather than just discussing pro vs con's in this new healthcare plan. It does not matter how I feel politically, I know how I feel physically. It is not well. I have not been well since 2005, when I was diagnosed with a blood disorder. I am single, childless, and in my 30's and have not been able to get insurance coverage since I was taken off of my parents in 2003. I can not get private insurance due to my "preexisting conditions." My job offered a group plan for years but would not pay for it (so I have paid every penny of any healthcare I have ever had). I try to be healthy and do any yoga and Eastern medicine I can (more $). Due to my health issues, I have a hard time working, but do and make hardly anything after health costs. What is my point in saying all of this? Nothing changes for me. The preexisting condition issue is only in place for children in this new act. I was never eligible for medicare due to them having no money and I do not have children, I am still not. I have no options, my COBRA runs out shortly, and there are no answers for someone like me. I am not lazy, I am just not well.

Death panel is a media thing. The fact is that rationing will be necessary as determined by what seems most effective particularly in the last year of life. You wll be able to have anything you want but may have to pay out of pocket. Just like mugrahbi, the bomber who was released to Lybia because the Scots (NHS) said he only had 3 months to live. Well of course because that is the mean survival in the NHS system for patients with stage 4 carcinoma of the prostate. Well he goes to Lybia, they treat him with modern and expensive drugs and he lives 3 years. I don't know if you would call the NHS posture a death panel but you get the general idea. As far as keeping your own insurance, many companies will go broke either trying to pay for mandated care without premium hikes or they will raise their premiums to actuarial standards and lose customers because of the costs. At that point, the government plans will take over and tell you when, where, how, and why. MpSt patients won't know what happened as the changes will come about slowly. My advice---Don't get sick.

leave it alone! there's really nothing that needs changing!

Dafna - I'm sorry for your problems. According to some, your must have saved money. They say the insurance companies don't add anything except their profits.

Also, if you are paying for your own healthcare, why are you paying for Cobra? If you are paying for yourself anyway, stop paying for insurance, you'll save money.

Glad & proud I live in a time and country that cares about it's downtrodden and sick.
I will pay more in taxes. It is the right thing to do.
Plenty of other ways we can create jobs and motivation for those few who are capable and really don't want to work. Basic healthcare is not the same issue.

John Utah:

"Nobody is against helping the downtrodden and sick, just how to do it. You seem to believe that govt is capable of providing this service if we only give them more of our tax dollars. How has Medicaid worked out in the war on poverty"?

The goal of Medicaid wasn't to "eliminate poverty", it was to give those living in poverty access to basic medical care, and they've done pretty well with that, certainly better than the private health insurance system has....Any other questions?

REPEAL ObamaTax.
And thank goodness that is exactly what we will get done once we vote this idiot out of the White House. Hes every bit as bad as that dope Bush was and at least as criminal.

"Romneycare in Massachusetts has proven that not only does government run healthcare not work it has crippled the state’s economy"

http://daytontribune.com/romneycare-is-bankrupting-massachusetts-%E2%80%93-obamacare-will-bankrupt-the-country/75912/

The Death Panel's Loving Embrace:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/the_death_panels_loving_embrace.html

how can one be against health care?

They aren't. The left likes to think that anyone who doesn't agree with the way they want to do something, is against doing it.

So that means, if you disagree that a carbon tax would clean the air, that means you want to breath dirty air.

Conservatives a for healthcare. They are also for freedom, prosperity and the free market.

We believe that the more government takes over, the less freedom we have, the less money we have, the less power we have and the less likely the original goals will be met.

Now let's see; If I am American and marooned alone on a island, I still have a right to health care, right? Oh, who will provide it to me. Never mind. Obamacare will wind up badly. In the meantime, it is every man for himself. I can just hear the American public stammering, "but, but, but, but this was supposed to give me free, instant, highest quality 24/7 health care". Right.

Once again the teabaggers demonstrate their utter failure to grasp even simple concepts. Reading these comments makes me glad I don't have kids to grow up in a country with people as stupid as you all are voting. Terrifying.

REPEAL ObamaTax.
And thank goodness that is exactly what we will get done once we vote this idiot out of the White House. Hes every bit as bad as that dope Bush was and at least as criminal.....

The actual annual cost of Medi-Care exceeds the cost projections made in 1965 by 10 times. Yep, that's right, the government cost estimates for Medi-Care were off by 900 percent.

Given that track record, the only way to control medical costs in the United States under Obamacare is health care rationing. Another name for health care rationing is "death panels".

Give away something for "free" and what happens-people are like pigs at a trough. Hence, the only way that health care costs can be contained is through rationing ("death panels").

One way to implement health care rationing is through wait times. If we make the patient wait long enough, the patient may be die before we provide the care. Hence, we can save on providing care simply by increasing wait times.

If your bleeding in the street, simply wait until you bleed to death. Then there is no need for further care.

Yes, "death panel" will be a necessary part of the implementation of Obamacare.

So Mr. Nudelman, I see you voted for Mitt Romney in the last election. Sorry, Mr. Nudelman, no health care for you. Next time vote the way the Crook County machine wants you to vote.

Forward.

Molly's daddy: Richie must think the Canadians are Marxists then too.

No daddy, the Canadians are socialists; progressives are marxists.

The Canadians are intelligent enough to develop their energy resources and left the global recession behind 2 years ago, unlike Canada's neighbor to the south.

Total health spending in the United States increased in real terms by 4.3% per year on average between
2000 and 2009, but this growth rate has slowed significantly to 2.7% between 2009 and 2010.

Source : http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/2/38980580.pdf

C. Steven Tucker discusses the Supreme Court Ruling on Obamacare, what that means to our health care, our insurance, and our pocketbook. Steven Tucker is Founder and Principal Broker for SBIS Incorporated. C. Steven Tucker has been an Independent multi-state licensed insurance broker since 1995. http://www.championnews.net/2012/07/03/13859/

I don't see how it's "conservative" fiscally to have 10% of the population getting health care in the ER. I don't see how it's "Christian" not to care about the status of my fellow man. People "say" they want a smaller government, yet it takes weeks & months to trackdown the recent food poisonings, all the while, they want government to interfere with a woman & her doctor? People "say" they need fewer regulations, what regulation:
Blew-up BPs' well?
Caused the levies in New Orleans to collapse?
Brought down that Bridge?
Caused Lehman Brothers to go bankrupt?
I keep coming up with 1 answer, greed.

Well, here we go again-industrial production in the United States is the lowest in 3 years. Why is this happening? Obama and Obamacare.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/cb8a70a0-c469-11e1-a98c-00144feabdc0.html

Obamacare has caused this recession to go on and on and on, just like FDR's New Deal caused the Great Depression to go on and on and on.

Dafna: "Specialists will not see you without health insurance. I have a few severe health issues which need to be seen by specialists. Therefore, I need to have Cobra, and am not eligible for insurance after."

Sorry Dafna, but your statement is simply not true. I just had cancer surgery 6 weeks ago without any insurance. I had no problems getting the surgery done without health insurance-I paid cash within 5 minutes of the completion of the surgery.

Doctors are great people. Doctors accept reduced payments and do charity work all of the time. I can't say enough good about doctors and, in fact, everyone in the medical profession in the US. Doctors are God's angels.

My doctor saved my life even though I had no insurance.

Carmen L Mercado: "WE, My husband and I and now my kids work hard to get what we have. I can't see how everyone can't do the same. MY GOD THIS IS AMERICA!! I have friends from different countries that come here work hard and before you know it have homes and business! Why can't American born do the same???? Why ? You asked? Because THE LIBERALS have handed to them everything!! House, food , clothes you name it!! WHY???? EVERYONE should work for his or hers maintenance. If The Government keeps on handing over everything to them THEY will not dust themselves up and do it on their own!! The Government Needs to GET OUT of People's Business!!! There job is to protect the people, NOT RUN the People!!!! We need a Whole new Government!!" "

Ms. Mercado-a true American. Immigrants with your attitude will always be welcome in America (I hope). Thank you Ms. Mercado for educating Americans about how to be successful in America.

"Florida Gov. Rick Scott tells Newsmax he will refuse to implement provisions of Obamacare despite the Supreme Court’s ruling because the healthcare overhaul will be “devastating” to Florida families and taxpayers."

Source: Newsmax

Just say no to Obamacare. Thumbs up Governor Scott.

If all of the red states tell President Obama to take Obamacare and shove it, just like Obama told Arizona to shove it, then I guess that will be the end of Obamacare. I believe it's called civil disobdience.

And that's why I left Illinois and moved to Florida. 0 percent state income tax in Florida too. If you vote red, come on down. If you vote blue, stay here in Illinois-we don't want you messing up our state.

A. M. Kelly: "Richard...Are you really STILL parroting the "death panel" nonsense?...Even most Republicans have been smart enough to drop that nonsense, and by the way, what "socialism" are you talking about?...Do you consider Medicare and Social Security to be "socialism"?...

Yes, Medicare and Social Security are socialist. Europe, Canada and Austrailia are socialist countries.

Health care rationing and "death panels" are the same thing. Rationing is simply cover for what it really is, "death panels".

Me - Wow, that shows a breathtaking misunderstanding of the "market" In a government controlled system, there really is no market. Certainly not a free one.

In a free market, increased demand increases opportunities and usually prices, making it attractive for other people to try to come in to satisfy that demand (you know, what many people label as greed). In a government controlled system, the government has a budget, and increased demand usually results in decreased access. There is actually less money to go around and therefore much less likely that more people would be employed. If they are, our taxes just go up. Actually, if you think about it, since, if you ignore taxes, you think it's free, the demand is unlimited. Unlimited demand is impossible to sustain.

Another Federal Government success:

"General Motors(GM) shares fell to a fresh 2012 closing low of 19.57 on Monday. The stock hit 19 in mid-December, the lowest since the auto giant came public at $33 in November 2010 following its June 2009 bankruptcy."

Down 40 percent.

Me - I apologize. Your remarks about death panels confused me. Your plan is close to mine, but I'm not sure about that basic policy. Every mandate increases cost and reduces choice. I admit that some regulation may be necessary.

1. Get rid of the insurer's exemption for the anti-trust laws
2. Transition the tax break from the employers to the individual purchaser
3. Get rid of state and federal mandates, and allow any insurer to sell nationally.

These reforms should increase competition.

Sandra Sims: "Ah, but DICK, I chose not to have kids, and with this country devolving into an idiocracy, I am very glad. I do have a successful marriage, career, and a beautiful home on a lake, and I have health insurance, as well as many investments that will keep me in good shape for the rest of my life. You have a failed marriage, a failed business, no income, no insurance, no friends, no life other than spewing your crap on the Patch. I never attended a Chicago Public School, I spent 12 years in Catholic school, for my sins, and 4 at Northwestern. Just another one of your "insults" that makes no sense. . . .I am just honoring their wishes about what they wanted to be called. Not my fault they are all thick as two short planks. Still no clients, Dick? Wonder why.....they must have Googled ya."

Sandra Sims' post above is a classic. Apparently Sims judges the worth of people and people's opinions by the size of their bank account. I judge people on the content of their character.

Henry Ford went bankrupt before he founded the Ford Motor Company. Ulysses S. Grant went bankrupt twice-first before the Civil War and then after he was the President of the United States. There is no shame in being poor. In fact, it builds character.

Of course, the greatest joy in life is having children. Perhaps that accounts for Sim's venom and rage. It's not really too difficult to amass a large bank account if you don't have children.

It was suggested that I give my money to charities. Someone even bother to tell me which one. To make the record clear we do give plenty of money and more important time to charities. Quite a few of them both in the suburbs and Chicago. More than a day a week of free labor comes out of our house to charities. For those who say charity should take care of all let me tell you they are quite often assisted by our government tax dollars. I am pleased to pay a fair share along with my fellow citizens to have a country that I am proud of the way people are taken care of when unable to help themselves. Yes, we also have also worked for everything we have. That does not mean that we are superior or do not understand that situations occur that are beyond peoples control. I would bet that I have not seen or volunteered on a regular basis with anyone who is blaming the down trodden. You would not think that they are all just wanting a life waiting for a check. Hope all of you will join us in writing that charity check, regularly volunteering to make this a better country/world and pay taxes to make it possible.
I'm proud to be an American. Able to express my opinion and dream of a country better than any other in the world.
If we need to change the way we manage our services, a better use of our time to think about how and help monitor the details of those services.
Insurance companies do not have people other than shareholders as there top priority.

You can find the actual taxes/fines - 6 millions estimated to pay this new tax. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5000A

More info here - Who’s Exempt? http://factcheck.org/2012/06/how-much-is-the-obamacare-tax/

The law makes a number of exemptions for low-income persons and hardship cases.

“Individuals who cannot afford coverage”: If an employer offers coverage that would cost the employee more than 8 percent of his or her household income (for self-only coverage) that individual is exempt from the tax.

“Taxpayers with income below filing threshold”: Also exempt are those who earn too little to be required to file tax returns. For 2011 — as previously mentioned — those thresholds were $9,500 for a single person under age 65, and $19,000 for a married person filing jointly with a spouse, for example. The thresholds go up each year in line with inflation, so those cut-offs will be higher in 2014, when the tax first takes effect.

“Hardships”: The Secretary of Health and Human Services is empowered to exempt others that she or he determines to “have suffered a hardship with respect to the capability to obtain coverage.”

Other exemptions: Also exempt are members of Indian tribes, persons with only brief gaps in coverage, and members of certain religious groups currently exempt from Social Security taxes (which as we’ve previously reported are chiefly Anabaptist — that is, Mennonite, Amish or Hutterite).

CBO, Jan. 11, 2010: Overall, CBO estimates that premiums for Bronze plans purchased individually in 2016 would probably average between $4,500 and $5,000 for single policies and between $12,000 and $12,500 for family policies.

According to those costs, many small biz will not be able to provide insurance for their employees. Many, if not all of those employees will be stuck trying to pay the family policies of approx. $1000 per month. Most will not be able to afford that and will continue to have no insurance and be taxed.

Again, the solution creates a bigger problem and is not compassionate. It is over bearing and control form the gov't. If the goal was to make sure everyone could afford insurance, PPACA is a abject failure. Consumer driven healthcare is the only way to make it more affordable. As stated earlier, it would be cheaper to pay for an insurance policy for the uninsured than the cost of the PPACA and it would actually have worked better. PPACA is not a compassionate way to help the uninsured.

Everyone likes freeloaders? How about standing up for personal responsibility? Requiring people to buy health insurance if they can afford it is responsible. Don't you hate it when you have some 20-something year old skipping insurance because they're healthy and then they have some accident/illness and wind up in an emergency room where the rest of us pay for it through higher hospital/doctor/insurance charges to cover these dopes?

Requiring people to have insurance is a way to ensure you &I don't have freeloaders sponging off us. Now I know there will be those of you out there that say those people shouldn't be treated if they don't have insurance or can't pay for care. But, what do you expect? Will the hospital/ambulance company/fire dept. be the gatekeeper and refuse treatment/transport letting the person die in the street? Do we want to be that kind of society? I'd hate to be knocked unconscious and have a hospital administrator digging through my pockets looking for an insurance card in order to treat me.

The mandate is a good thing. It will spread the risk out between healthy and unhealthy people, stop unnecessary emergency room visits, & ensure people pay their fair share. I have insurance & you probably do too. But I can't understand why would you defend someone's right to force their cost of care onto you? If you don't like the government, or for that matter anyone, telling you what to do, suck it up. Sometimes people need to be told to do the right thing.

Javier: "Everyone likes freeloaders? How about standing up for personal responsibility?. . . . Sometimes people need to be told to do the right thing."

Ahhh, finally after 50 years, the Democrats have called for an end to the War on Poverty. Imagine that, Democrats talking about personal responsibility.

Don't you just despise those free-loaders, you know like people on Food Stamps, welfare, unemployment, social security, Medi-Care, Medi-Caid, etc. Democrats are the party of free-loaders.

Democrats talking about free-loaders is amusing. The latest Democrat line about free-loading is just more b.s. Actually, everything that Democrats say is b.s.

Another excellent article from the American Thinker titled "Six Weeks That Saved America". Here is just an excerpt:

"However, the intention of American left, as personified by the ascendancy of Barack Obama and his radical cohorts, is to establish this monolithic and omnipotent entity. This has been their singular goal since the 1930s, and in 2008 they thought their moment had come. Thus the mad dash to pass legislation such as ObamaCare, setting up the EPA as a bludgeon to enforce their green agenda, initiating a quasi-fascist relationship with those in the private economy willing to pledge allegiance and be subservient to the cause, and transforming the Justice Department among other cabinet departments into the enforcement arm of their 1960s radicalism."

Read more:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/six_weeks_that_saved_america.html#ixzz1zf4Px9hq

Chief Justice Roberts did America a big favor with his ruling on Obamacare. I have never seen conservatives more energized. Yes, conservatives are going to take America back.

The Supreme Court ruling on Obamacare is like the iceberg that sunk the Titanic. The Obama Administration just hit the iceberg and now President Obama and his merry band of Democrats are sinking.

Note the use of the word "facist" in the paragraph above. That's exactly what the Democrats are trying to do. Obama even imitates Mussolini with his chin up in the air-all he needs is a fancy uniform and a mistress.

Another excerpt from the American Think article titled "Six Weeks That Saved America":

"Rarely in such a short period of time have any president and his administration been so damningly exposed. It is now beyond any shadow of doubt that Barack Obama is a fraud, devoid of any character and integrity, and is essentially a megalomaniac immersed in radical ideology.. . . Further, and more importantly, these events occurred only four months prior to the election, when the citizenry begins to pay serious attention."

Read more:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/six_weeks_that_saved_america.html#ixzz1zf7vW0tb

President Obama is really nothing more than a thug practicing Chicago thug politics in our nation's capitol. Obamacare is just another street tax.

Mr. Schulte may I ask, why are you such an angry man?

An excerpt from the Declaration of Independence specifically addresses Obamacare:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. . . ."

"the consent of the governed . . ."

After more than 2 years, Obamacare still has not achieved "the consent of the governed". Hence, it must be repealed.

The implementation of Obamacare can be blocked by the states refusing to cooperate with setting up the insurance exchanges. What is President Obama going to do, send in the US Army to occupy states that refuse to cooperate?

Here is an excellent article on how the implementation of Obamacare can be blocked by the states. The article paraphrases Abraham Lincoln's "House Divided" speech.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/07/can_the_states_unravel_obamacare.html

And for those who attended public school recently and don't have clue who Abraham Lincoln was, Abraham Lincoln was the 16th president of the United States and the first Republican president. Lincoln (R) was known as the "Great Emancipator" because he issued the Emancipation Proclamation which freed all slaves in portions of slave states occupied by the Union Army during the Civil War.

Yup, boys and girls, the man who "freed the slaves" was a Republican. Bet you didn't know that. And if you ever heard of the Klu Klux Klan, that organization was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party. The Democrat KKK terrorized black folks with lynchings and burning crosses at black folks homes. Yup, those people who lynched black folks were Democrats. Those cross burners were Democrats too.

And Bull Connor and George Wallace were Democrats also. And Democrats call Republicans "haters". Imagine that.

Bill Clinton: "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky."
Al Gore: "I invented the internet."
Barack Obama: "I killed Osama Bin Laden."
Typical Liberal: "You can't trust Republicans. They lie."

Yup, Republicans are just liars. Who would you trust to tell the truth about Obamacare-Obama and Pelosi or Republicans?

From the Declaration of Independence:

"In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

Obamacare was "shoved down out throats". Obama is a Tyrant.

Mr. Schulte yes...you do exhibit a lot of energy...but a good portion of it ...as evidenced by your posts seems to be very aggressive in nature and very negative . Aggressive negative energy can be easily interpreted as anger. May I ask what the nature of your adversities over the last 4 years have been?

“Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law,” Roberts wrote. “We possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

In 4 months, it will be the people's turn to voice their opinion on Obamacare.

A vote for Obama is a vote for Obamacare; a vote for Romney is a vote against Obamacare. It's as simple at that.

You can say and think anything you want but the cost won't come down until the tort bar is reined in.

Senator Barack Obama on Chief Justice John Roberts nomination to the Supreme Court:

"I will be voting against John Roberts' nomination. I do so with considerable reticence. I hope that I am wrong. I hope that this reticence on my part proves unjustified and that Judge Roberts will show himself to not only be an outstanding legal thinker but also someone who upholds the Court's historic role as a check on the majoritarian impulses of the executive branch and the legislative branch."

Hmmmm. . . looks like the Chief Justice didn't fulfill Barack Obama's expectation.

Socialism:

"A country that feels the need to socialize has, in my view, already failed culturally. It is an open admission by the public that it is unwilling or unable to take responsibility for its own prosperity. If a county cannot function in a healthy economic manner without its government creating an artificial and precarious balance using fiat stimulus and overt taxation, then the people of that country are not remotely independent and self-sufficient. That is to say, only a Nation filled with pathetic, overgrown children would actually need government to enforce mandatory charity: welfare, healthcare, etc. A truly healthy society supported by strong and self-sustainable individuals would not beg to be parented by government. If a country is so unbalanced as to stoop to socialism, then its ailments already extend far beyond anything government (even good government) could ever hope to cure." Brandon Smith

http://personalliberty.com/2012/07/03/the-socialization-of-america-is-economically-impossible/?eiid=

A. M. Kelly,

You are missing the point. Medical costs will not come down until the doctors and hospitals feel that they can practice indicated medicine and that will not happen until there is some legal protection against frivolous law suits. If the physician orders a test to protect himself and someone says you can't do that or we vwon't pay for it, the refuser will have to take the risk in writing. Not likely. If therte is too much control on doctors and hospitals, you will be treating yourself. Good luck with that.

Socialism:

"A country that feels the need to socialize has, in my view, already failed culturally. It is an open admission by the public that it is unwilling or unable to take responsibility for its own prosperity. If a county cannot function in a healthy economic manner without its government creating an artificial and precarious balance using fiat stimulus and overt taxation, then the people of that country are not remotely independent and self-sufficient. That is to say, only a Nation filled with pathetic, overgrown children would actually need government to enforce mandatory charity: welfare, healthcare, etc. A truly healthy society supported by strong and self-sustainable individuals would not beg to be parented by government. If a country is so unbalanced as to stoop to socialism, then its ailments already extend far beyond anything government (even good government) could ever hope to cure." Brandon Smith

http://personalliberty.com/2012/07/03/the-socialization-of-america-is-economically-impossible/?eiid=

"A new study funded by the Department of Homeland Security characterizes Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing” terrorists."

http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-report-lists-liberty-lovers-as-terrorists/

So if you are opposed to Obamacare, you are considered to be a potential terrorist by the Department of Homeland Security. And tell me you don't think that the Obama Administration is attacking its enemies.

Compassion: "black unemployment stands at 16.2%." Unemployment among black teenagers is around 50 percent.

The typical recession lasts about a year. Why has the Obama recession dragged on for more than 4 years now? Obamacare is one of the reasons. Lack of confidence in President Obama is another.

Let's put black folks back to work by making President Obama join the ranks of the unemployed and repealing Obamacare. To quote The Donald: "You're fired."

Jim: Actually, it's not beside the point, since you are clearly calling for something Republicans have been pushing for years, and that's Tort Reform, whose goal is to limit the money "paid out" by Medical Malpractice insurance.

As to "frivolous lawsuits", we already have a remedy for that which is utilized routinely every day when a judge excercises his or her right to "throw out" a case based on lack of merit. It's a defense lawyer's first move in every trial, so you see it's not necessary, except, perhaps, for Medical Malpractice Insurers who, like most health insurers, seek to limit their "payouts" so as to increase their profit margins.

That fact is, If doctors want "extra" protection from lawsuits, they already have other options:
A. Don't screw up.
B. Refuse to pay exorbitant insurance premiums just so your insurer can reap a bigger profit.

I'm sorry Jim, but Fox News Talking Points will simply not suffice for every issue.

The point is that physicians are afraid to not order tests to protect themselves from the process of being sued. This will continue to keep the costs up. The amount of money rhat actually changes hands for a non-infused CT of the head in the ER for any one of 17 neuro symptoms without physical findings is $500. The incidence of positive findings is 5% or less. So to find one positive CT scan costs $12,000. When one asks a trial attorney if you can avoid CT scans in that circumstance, the answer is yes if you think that you can convince a jury that what you did was reasonable. No physician will not do the CT. What looks simple to you is not so simple. I assume that you have never practiced medicine but that you consider yourself an expert in the area. You sound like you think that everyone is a crook, except of course, you. You just get to say who is a crook and who isn't.

Richard Schulte sounds like THE local authority on the Affordable Care Act so can you please enlighten me by responding to "grandpa's" comments specifically the Affordable Healthcare Act supported and passed by Romney while governor of Massachusetts:

“I read Neal Boortz's column as well as one that claims Roberts was a genius by approving AHCA. I believe that Boortz is closer to the truth, but I think that all of the pundits are missing the point.

The "Affordable Health Care" law stands as Constitutional. It will require a number of unlikely, (in my opinion), events to NOT be implemented in some form. The basis of the AHCA is a scheme that was implemented by Romney in Massachusetts. The GOP is NOT against socialized health care, they are against OBAMA'S version of socialized health care.”

Jim,

I understand the idea behind tort reform, but I have a few problems with it. With it you actually give more power to the physicians. I remember when they wanted to cap lawsuits generally, and I always remember the Ford Pinto that caught on fire when hit from behind. The bottom of the trunk, and the top of the fuel tank were the same wall. When contemplating what to do Ford decided that paying the families of the people that burned was cheaper than fixing the problem... and that was without tort reform.

The people have to have power also, so I'm not sure tort reform would be beneficial. Also, if you think about it, those unnecessary tests, may not be so unnecessary if it's found one if them would have helped in court. Think about it.

Cabdriver: .I agree completely. Besides, when people talk about "reducing government" they never seem to take in the idea of government MILITARY SPENDING which is probably the biggest most EXPENSIVE of all government programs..Most of these Republicans want to give MORE to a military that is already way overbloated and about twice the size of 7 other western countries combined! People don't want to think of it this way, but war is "big business" for many powerful interests, and of course, that's an awful thing when you consider that much of the motive for getting us, and KEEPING us in war, has been about profit.....I am ALL for having enough to defend ourselves, but I'm not for wasting money and lives "wars of choice" like the one Bush got us in Iraq...The Vietnam war was a terrible and costly mistake as well, so I'm not just being partisan here.

If anyone, liberal or conservative, is unaware of Republican president Dwight Eisenhower's Farewell Adress in 1960, I would STRONGLY urge them to read it as he warns America about the "Military Industrial Complex", his term, and considering that this president was also chief General in World War II, I'd say his comments bear some strong consideration.

A. M. Kelly - In 2010 entitlement spending was twice defense spending:

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/08/21/chart-of-the-week-defense-spending-has-declined-while-entitlement-spending-has-increased/

The rest of the money saved for deficit reduction? When has that ever happened in history? You actually think this is the goal of the people you helped put into office? The have you fooled. Also, cutting taxes in 1982 led to record tax revenue collected by the government, not sure of your linear thinking here.

Um, Steve?...I'm afraid your party's greedsters are out of step with the majority of Americans, as they think the super rich should start paying their FAIR share of taxes, by a ration of two to one:

"Americans Think Taxing the Rich is Good for the Economy and Fairness"
By: Jon Walker Tuesday July 17, 2012 7:43 am

By an almost two-to-one margin Americans think raising taxes on people making over $250,000 a year would both help the economy and make our tax system more fair. This is the result of a new Pew Research poll.

Not surprisingly there is a large partisan divide on an issue so politically fundamental as taxes. Democrats think it is a good thing, while Republicans think it is a bad thing. What is important politically is that Independents mainly side with Democrats in saying increasing taxes on the rich would help the economy.
Sorry, Conservatives -- America is just not "with" you on this one.

Well, Alan and Me, I was just responding to A. M. Kelly that said military spending was the biggest and most expensive of all government programs. But, if you want to continue this line of conversation, I could say that breaking up entitlements is as fair as breaking up the military into its many branches, or by wars, or by continent.

As to the right sized remark, isn't that the crux of the argument? Many think the military needs to be right sized UP. in fact, considering that the Secretary of the Navy and Obama want us to run on alternative fuels that currently cost 4 times as much as traditional fuels, even democrats seem to think we should spend at least 2 billion more. After all, they are tax and spend... right?

As to lower taxes, it would be interesting to see what would happen if your son spent 5 times as much for college as you told him he could spend. Then informed you that he really needs 6 times as much next year. Would you really compromise and say OK, I'll just give you 5.5 times as much? I think you would say, you're not getting any more money until you pay me back!

There was no personal attack, I was making a point to the guy who thought we could cut military and raise taxes to use the money to pay down the deficit.

McCloud - I think Me was perturbed that you implied that he helped put someone in office. You also questioned his linear thinking. He's obviously very sensitive.

Alan, you must have your hands on some secret documents that help you truely understand our position or lack of vulnerability in this post 9-11 world. To speak with certainty about what our military needs or does not need. Then again, there are folks who speak of our domestic problems without a clue too.

What our military needs or does not need, I have no clue. I don't have a real grasp on what threats are real or expected in the next 10 years, since I am not in the CIA or am a military scientist. So for me to drop an opinion as to our budget needs or type of defense systems that are necessary, is kind of without proper research or credentials. I could stick a finger in the air and say something, but I'd rather not.

And, entitlements shouldn't cost $1.5 trillion. Actually Alan, you are guilty of the same thing you are calling McCloud out on. You know that the defense of the nation should cost "just not $750 billion." All this because you have your eyes open. Not much proof there.

I'm rubber and you're glue!

Where do you get the idea, as with everything the solution lies in the middle? Sounds like an attempt to be diplomatic and reasonable, but there are two diametrically opposing opinions. The current rulers have taken us maybe to the point of no return with Obamacare, and refuse to even admit what actuaries have said about Medicare.

Me: "As with everything, the solution lies in the middle. It is easier to find the solution when we exchange facts. It is harder to find the solution when we resort to inflammatory name calling."

Sounds like a lot of nonsense to me. If the options are to do something right or wrong, then compromising in the middle means that you will always be doing things half-wrong, or half-right depending upon your point of view. Why would you want to do things half-wrong all of the time? (Sounds like the government approach.)

"The government is not the solution to our problem; the government is the problem." Ronald Reagan

The Founders of this great nation knew that government is the problem and tried their best to make sure that government remained small. Smaller government is always better. Government solutions are always clumsy solutions.

And its interesting that Me is now railing against "name-calling". It was Me who called Schulte "vile and despicable".

Me, let me be perfectly clear about this, Obama is a marxist. Telling the truth about Barack Obama is not "name-calling".

This is how the Government spends our tax dollars:

"And speaking of the Volt’s ridiculous $41,000 sticker price:

According to multiple GM executives there is little or no profit being made on each Volt built at a present cost of around $40,000. Furthermore, the $700 million of development that went into the car has to be recouped."

$700 million in development costs for the Chevy Volt-good idea Barack.

Democrats version of civility and tolerance for diverse opinion:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/07/17/Democrat-Loses-It-On-Tea-Party-at-Synagogue-in-Elkins-Park

Me: "Orifice."

And Me is lecturing about civil discourse. . . . .

Me: "Other than letting everyone fend for themselves, I have yet to see a recommendation come from you. Sounds like a lot of nonsense to me."

Me, like Sandra Sims, appears to be a product of the Chicago Public School system. The Heritage Foundation, the American Thinker website and the Town Hall website( which I often reference) propose solutions, as does Rush Limbaugh.

If you would take the manure out of your ears and attempt to think about things in a logical manner, you might begin to see that common sense solutions to problems are the best and that government solutions only create a big mess.

Hmmmm. . . . and they want to increase the tax rate for high income earners for what?

"The Chicago Teachers Union made headlines a few months ago when it was revealed that the union was demanding a 30 percent raise in its new contract proposal.

Such an enormous raise – regardless of the supposed justification – would be unthinkable in a district with a $665 million budget deficit and a 9.8 percent unemployment rate. "

Source: http://townhall.com/columnists/kyleolson/2012/07/17/chicago_teachers_union_thumbs_nose_at_proposed_20_raise

The CPS teachers want a 30 percent raise when the unemployment rate is 9.8 percent. How about a 30 percent cut in teachers' salaries instead? Actually a 40 or 50 percent salary cut would be more like it based upon the performance of the CPS.

Let the teachers go on strike. . . .what we're likely to find out is that the children of Chicago will get just as good of an education without the teachers as with the teachers.

Just say no to any tax increase. It's time to cut taxes, especially for the wealthy.

The law of unintended consequences applied to taxation-in this case Obamacare, but it would apply equally to an increase in income tax rates:

"The other way business owners are planning to deal with the law is a devastating one. They plan to cut staff and switch full-time employees to part-time, which the law classifies as less than 30 hours per week.

That's the reality for the 425 workers at David Barr's nearly two dozen KFCs and Taco Bells across Alabama and Georgia. Barr has already done the math.

He currently provides health care for managerial staff only, and it costs him about $125,000 to cover the 30 who take it. Extending that to every full-timer would cost him another $545,782 a year.

Health reform's creation of state insurance exchanges promises to bring down those costs, but Barr said any expenses even close to that will still outmatch his available cash.

"This business model isn't meant to support those costs," he said.

To minimize expenses, he'll fire workers and cut hours to reduce the number of full-timers to 60. Then he'll opt for the penalty instead of paying insurance. A $60,000 fine pales in comparison to the huge potential rise in health care costs.

Cashiers would be replaced by self-order kiosks, cooks with chicken breading machines. These options are too expensive now, he said, but they would make sense then."

Unintended consequences of any government action can't be predicted.

Richard Schulte - Unfortunately, I'm not at all sure this is unintended. Candidate Obama stated that his goal was single payer in about 15 years. He is trying to tear apart our current system. Right now it's cheaper to pay the fine. That will only last a few years. Then what is this businessman going to do?

See, the left will just say that we tried the capitalist system (no matter how twisted that really is, and no matter that it's their system that doesn't work) and it just means we'll have to go to single payer faster.

Yes, you have to believe the polls, which I don't. There are too many problems with properly done polls, let alone polls that sample democrats and non-voters greater than should be.

We will see what happens.

Perhaps the appropriate question is not "what should be done with Obamacare?", but instead "what should be done with Obama?"

"Members of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's posse said in March that there was probable cause that Obama's long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April 2011 was a computer-generated forgery.

Now, Arpaio says investigators are positive it's fraudulent."

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/arpaio-obama-birth-record-definitely-fraudulent-010211250.html?_esi=1

It's time for Congress to investigate this issue and it's probably time for the House of Representatives to begin impeachment proceedings against President Obama for "high crimes and misdemeanors". Attempting to defraud the American people regarding your eligibility to be president of the United States is certainly a far greater crime than Richard Nixon resigned the office of the presidency in 1974.

Impeach and remove Obama from office. A prison cell between George Ryan and Blago would be an appropriate place to put Obama. Obama is just your typical Illinois politician.

OMG. Does the President of the United States really give a hoot about the unemployement/under-employment problem in America?

"President Barack Obama’s Jobs Council hasn’t met publicly for six months, even as the issue of job creation dominates the 2012 election."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78637.html#ixzz20yihCUvk

Apparently not. First Lady Michelle Antoinette said about the unemployed: "Let them eat cake".

Is President Obama's "birth certificate" a fraud? Read for yourself:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/new_obama_birth_certificate_forgery_proof_in_the_layers.html

Is President Obama a marxist? The following might assist you in answering that question:

"I interviewed Dr. John Drew at length for my new book on Obama's communist mentor, Frank Marshall Davis. Drew, who was a Marxist at Occidental College when Obama arrived there, sees himself as the "missing link" between the communist Davis and other radical Obama associations like Bill Ayers. Drew headed the student Marxist organization on campus, and Obama was introduced to him as a "fellow Marxist," as "one of us." Drew explained to me that Obama believed in the "Frank Marshall Davis fantasy of revolution" -- that is, of "imminent revolution" in America."

Read more:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/socialist_communist_three_questions_for_obama.html#ixzz20zIgLQM8

Now perhaps you have a better understanding of why Barack Obama doesn't want you to see his college records. If Obama has nothing to hide, why is he hiding those college records?

Shawn: "Hey Richard, you seem to be lost. The site you are looking for is World Net Daily. You're welcome."

Who do you trust, Sheriff Joe or President Barack? Consider President Barack's statements about Obamacare-none of which were true. I guess we could say that President Barack is a known liar. I trust Sheriff Joe-America's Sheriff. If Sheriff Joe says Obama's birth certificate is a forgery, that's good enough for me.

Shawn: "You people are a joke. I don't know if it's racism, stupidity, or a combination of the two, but it's really tired. Even if you did have a leg to stand on(and let's be completely clear, you don't), we're going into the campaign season and the "birther" group has been thoroughly ignored by the media. No one is going to bring it up, and you sound like a racist nutjob when you go around talking about it like it's breaking news."

Interesting that Barack Obama's author's biography states that he was born in Kenya. If he was born in Hawaii, why does his author's biography say he was born in Kenya?

If someone questioned where I was born, I could produce my original birth certificate within 1 day. 1 day and the question would be cleared up. It's been years and we're still waiting to see the original birth certificate.

If the President of the United States can't produce his original birth certificate within 3 years, the only logical conclusion is that the original birth certificate which shows that he was born in Hawaii doesn't exist.

If I can produce my original birth certificate for examination, then so can the President of the United States.

I trust Sheriff Joe and if Sheriff Joe says it's a fraud, then it's a fraud.

Barack Obama is a marxist.

Alan Nudelman: "Joe Nelson - much more reputable sources than the author of the above have examined this canard, and made very clear that President Obama was born in Hawaii and was eligible to be elected President. The State of Hawaii has stated this very, very clearly. Only the most disreputable of sources have thought it necessary to continue to pass this lie on. They hope that a lie repeated enough times becomes believable. Joe Nelson - please come away from the Dark Side and join the human race on this issue. I'd much rather you not vote for President Obama because you disagree with his polices and his performance - not because you fall for this lie."

NoodleMan, Barack Obama is a marxist. I will be voting for Mitt Romney because I disagree with Obamacare and the President's policies. President Obama has destroyed the American economy-did he do that intentionally or is he just incompetent? The answer to that question is irrelevant-the only thing that is relevant are the results.

My vote against Obama has nothing to do with where Obama was born, however, the American people have a right to know whether or not Obama is constitutionally-qualified to be the president. I can prove that I'm constitutionally qualified to be the president. If I can do it, then Obama should be able to do the same.

Shawn - "I don't know if it's racism, stupidity, or a combination of the two, but it's really tired."

Talk about tired. Calling people racist because you don't like what they are thinking is old.

I don't know where Obama was born, but there seem to be alot of questions about it. I remember discounting these questions, and then candidate Obama went to Hawaii to visit his dying grandmother. The reports said that he also went to the State of Hawaii to make sure they didn't release his birth info.

I had to ask, why did he do that? Ever since then I think there have been valid questions, like... why did he and the State of Hawaii say there was no long form for years, and then they produced one?

There are alot of questions, and I wonder how open your mind is to the possible answers.

Alan - No, the State of Hawaii has acted in a suspect manner in my opinion, so it doesn't work for me.

Let me tell you in advance that I am stupid, so if I decide to believe it you now know why.

Stimulus 2012, green jobs

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/18/union-bosses-help-get-tax-money-for-digging-and-filling-ditches

Alan, thanks for clarifying the global warming thing.

http://www.wnd.com/2011/04/285921/

Barack Obama could have Hawaii release his original birth certificate if he wanted to
http://24ahead.com/barack-obama-could-have-hawaii-release-his-original-birth-ce

As you can see, officials from Hawaii were saying that they didn't have the long form. Then later, it magically appears. Why were they trying to help Obama? That may be a question for you, and your "reputable sources" to answer.

Good attempt to smear Breitbart, McCloud Daily says MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Time, New York Post, Huff Post Daily Krazy are all extremist leftist sites.

Sheriff Joe, America's sheriff, says that the pdf of Obama's birth certificate is a fraud. Do we believe Sheriff Joe or do we believe President Obama?

Sheriff Joe has never lied to me. President Obama has lied to me continuously for 4+ years. Why would I not believe Sheriff Joe? Why would I believe anything Obama has ever said? It's really as simple as that.

I don't know whether Obama was born in Hawaii or Kenya, but I do know that Obama is a marxist. There is no difference between Barack Obama and Fidel Castro, other than the beard and the clothes.

Obama has been working hard to change America into Cuba. Why would anybody vote for Obama?

"Tuesday's press conference added weight to the Cold Case Posse's earlier findings. In addition to the electronic evidence that the president's long-form birth certificate had been altered, the investigators introduced supporting evidence related to a box titled "Race of Father." In it was written the word "African." Not only was "African" not used as a race identifier until 1989, 28 years after Obama's birth, but the box is also coded with a number nine. Nine signifies that no information was provided, meaning the box should have been empty. The fact that there is information in the box suggests someone had tampered with the birth certificate, investigators say."

"In Hawaii, investigators succeeded in meeting with Verna K.L. Lee, the clerk who signed Mr. Obama's long-form birth certificate. The investigators learned that if Mr. Obama had been born at the Kapioloni Medical Center, a birth number assigned to him should have been lower than those of a pair of twins who were born after him at Kapiolani that same day. Yet, his birth number is higher. "This proves that Obama could not have been born at the Kapiolani Medical Center as reported. The numbering on his certificate is more consistent with a birth certificate that had been turned in from one of the outlying areas," investigators said.

Source: http://times247.com/articles/arpaio-calls-congress-to-move-on-obama-eligibility#ixzz210z1KGVY

OK, sports fans, explain the above.

"Arpaio told WND he intends to move the investigation and the new information to a higher authority within the federal government because of what he calls an imminent threat to national security and U.S. immigration laws. The threat is posed by a flaw in Hawaii’s law discovered by his investigators that allows a foreigner to obtain a Hawaii birth certificate."

Source: http://times247.com/articles/arpaio-obama-probe-finds-national-security-threat#ixzz2113n1W8k

I trust Sheriff Joe. If Sheriff Joe says there is a problem, then there is a problem.

Alan Nudelman: "How's your take on evolution?"

America was founded by a revolution. Thomas Jefferson said that he thought a revolution would be required every 20 years or so to avoid government tyranny. I agree with the Founders and concur with Jefferson's assessment of the need for revolution.

President Obama is governing against the will of the people. I believe that's called tyranny. See what Jefferson had to say about the need for revolution above.

As for evolution, I wasn't there when the universe was created. Given that, I would only be expressing an opinion about something I know absolutely nothing about. I do not see that Creationism and the theory of evolution are mutually exclusive concepts.

Guido McGinty: "I trust Sheriff Joe" Why? Uniform fetish?

Sheriff Joe has never lied to me. Barack Obama has lied to me (and the American people) continuously for the last 4 years. Obviously, you ain't too bright if you can't figure out that Barack Obama has a problem with the truth.

These programs are probably THE most sucessful and popular government programs existing! Babe both of them are bankrupt, and Obama tore the fabric by imposing a cut to funding these entitlements last year. Government actuaries have concluded Medicare bankrupt by 2016. Just because you say something enough times, does not make it true. There have been no solutions from the King, since he has too much fun pointing fingers at Rep Ryan.

The lack of understanding of government finances by some on this thread, such as A. M. Kelly, is rather amazing. What about the National Debt being $15 trillion and growing by $4 billion per day don't people understand? Yes, the US Government has to borrow $4 billion per day just to pay its bills. (Wish I could do that.)

I guess some people simply can't grasp the meaning of a trillion dollars. That's understandable-I have difficulty of understanding what a billion dollars is and a trillion is a thousand billion.

Democrats, money does not grow on trees, although you obviously think it does.

Government, by its very nature, is less efficient than the private sector. The difference between a government employee and a private sector worker is like the difference between a 3-legged horse and a 4-legged horse in a horse race.

The assumption by some is that government is benevolent. Government is not benevolent. Ask any survivor of the Holocaust about the benevolence of Government; ask Indians on reservations across America whether government is benovolent; ask citizens of the former Soviet Union about government.

Government has to power to coerce. Anybody with the power to coerce will not necessarily be benevolent. That's just a law of nature.

Even organizations whose mission is to be benevolent, such as religious organizations, have a track record of a lack of benevolence.

Government is not God, so why treat government as a god?

The best way to help those in need, such as Stephen Jones, is to revive the economy. How do we do that? That's easy.

It should be obviouis to everyone now that Obamanomics is a failure. In the early 1980's, a Republican president working with a Democrat Congress was able to revive the economy. How? Tax cuts and less government regulation.

Democrats tell us that we need to raise taxes on tobacco products to discourage people from smoking. Raising taxes on tobacco products does indeed discourage the use of tobacco products.

If high taxes on tobacco means less tobacco use, then what does high taxes on economic activity mean? The exact same thing. If we want less economic activity, increase taxes. If we want more economic activity, lower taxes. It's just common sense and quite obvious.

Mr. Jones, I work in the construction industry too. I lost my home in Evanston in February and was homeless too. Hang in there, help is on the way in the form of the elections in November. If the American people are wise enough to choose former Governor Romney, the economy will improve almost immediately. If the American people are dumb enough to re-elect President Obama, the recession will continue for 4 more years. In the event that Obama is re-elected, I would suggest that you relocate to Canada.

If you want to help the homeless and those that have fallen on hard times, vote for (conservative) Republicans. TEA.

Your tax dollars hard at work:

"Consider that a GAO report last year identified more than 100 federal programs dealing with surface transportation issues, 82 programs that are supposed to monitor the quality of teachers, nearly 50 job training programs, 20 offices or agencies dedicated to combating homelessness and 17 different disaster preparedness programs. There are 342 economic development programs, 130 programs serving the disabled, 130 to help at-risk youth, 90 early childhood development programs, 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities and 72 safe water programs. The list goes on and on."

Yes, that's what we need, another government program-Obamacare.

It's my opinion that Barack Obama is a marxist. An article on marxism is posted on the American Thinker website today (July 19, 2012). Want to know what marxists are about:

"Along with deliberate and almost indiscriminant infliction of pain on mankind, Marxists think almost exclusively in terms of lies. Orwell's "doublethink" and "Newspeak" well illustrate this delusion and self-delusion. Marxists boasted of their mendacity. Lenin wrote: "The scientific concept, dictatorship, means nothing more nor less than power which directly rests on violence, which is not limited by any laws or restricted by any absolute rules." Angela Balabanoff, general secretary of the Third Socialist International, confirmed the dishonesty of Bolsheviks: "The Bolshevik leaders were capable of anything to achieve their political and factional ends" (emphasis in the original) (My Life as a Rebel, Balabannoff)."

Read more:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/the_marxist_heart_of_darkness.html#ixzz215RQqXH4

If you want to know what the future will be like if Barack Obama is re-elected, the American Thinker article should be of interest.

Obamacare is simply a "Trojan Horse" to introduce single-payer health care. Once government seizes control of your health care, then the government has seized control of every American citizen.

President Obama:

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive,"

"Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

President Obama, I built my business and the only help I got from the government was to interfere with my success. Yes, I used the infrastructure built by the government, but that infrastructure was built with taxes paid by me, by my parents and my grandparents. That infrastructure is utilized by all Americans and belongs to all of us-it's ours to use however we see fit.

There is little doubt that Barack Obama (and the First Lady, Michelle Antoinette,) hates America, as do many who support Obama. Do we want a president that hates America or a president that loves America and wants all Americans to do good?

"It's not that liberals know so much, but that liberals know so much that it isn't true." Ronald Reagan

Guido McGinty: "So let's all vote for the socialist, Mitt Romney."

Anybody would be better than Obama. . . .

Government in action:

“Without government actions, states, counties, cities and towns all over America will go bankrupt,” said Bob Williams, president of State Budget Solutions, in the release. “Failing to understand the scope of the pension crisis sets taxpayers up for a bigger catastrophe in the future.”

Source: "Public-Pension Shortfall $4.6 Trillion, Budget Group Says"

Oh well, public employees won't get their pensions. Of course, it's public employees who bankrupted the state and local governments in the first place, so I guess that's fair.

And, of course, Obamacare will dig the hole even deeper.

Are you going to trade your vote for a promise of benefits down the road? Once you vote for the politician making the promise, you've lost your leverage.

My advice would be vote for the politician that promises you nothing and only depend upon yourself.

Guido McGinty: "The only moral thing to do is refuse sanction of evil: do not vote. Voting is a violent act that forces coercion upon your fellow citizens."

Yes, former Governor Romney is probably a big government Republican, but President Obama is a disaster.

Are all politicians evil? Perhaps, but that's the best reason to support smaller government. TEA-thumbs up!!!

But in this election, not voting is not an option. Not voting is a vote for Obama. America simply can't take another 4 years of Obama. Obaman is no different than Fidel Castro and we see how well Fidel Castro worked out for Cuba.

Still looking for a job, Richard?

Increasing taxes is an excellent idea-that's what the French just did and now those evil wealthy French folks are leaving for Switzerland and taking their wealth with them:

"Gilles Martin, a Swiss tax consultant, reported the same trend. "Since the socialists came to power in France, I have been deluged with inquiries from rich French people who would rather pay their tax in Switzerland," he told Switzerland's 20 Minutes newspaper."

As you can see, raising taxes is a great idea. Obamacare is a tax-that's what the Supreme Court said and so Obamcare is a tax increase. Bye, bye wealthy folks-hello Canada. Raising taxes is a great idea if you're a fool.

Don't worry Rich. I don't intend on wasting more time with you. Funny, you say you've been employed for twenty something years, yet you supposedly moved to Florida because you couldn't find anything in Illinois. You were even on food stamps you've said before. Which is it, Richie?

You really need to take your comedy act somewhere else. It's pretty much dried up here. See ya, Comrade.

Sully: "It's got to be hard being you, Rich."

Sully, I'm just using "talent on loan from God". Laura Ingrahm, followed by Rush, Hannity and Mark Levin and then topped off with Glenn Beck here in Florida. It's like dying and going to Heaven.

I love Florida-no Obama bumper stickers here. Should have moved from the People's Republic of Evanston to Florida 20 years ago. The consulting business is just doing fine now-thanks for asking. The recession ends in early November-Republican landslide. Oh yeah, Wisconsinn Governor Scott Walker says hello.

Oh btw Sully, when did you stop beating your wife?

My, aren't you the clever one!

My time in Fantastical Fantasy Land is up Rich. Thanks for playing.

Sully: "My time in Fantastical Fantasy Land is up Rich."

I'm pleased to hear that you are now well and that they finally released you. (I guess the nursing staff didn't tell Sully that Governor Scott Walker won the recall election. That would have been a real setback in his progress.)

Sully seems like he enjoys brow beating people, I thought he was a tolerant one like his fellow comrades who care so much about the downtrodden. If you can't see what the Democrats are made of, identity politics, blacks, gays, women, unions, Muslims, then you can't see a party without a vision except for getting votes.

McCloud: ""Sully seems like he enjoys brow beating people. . . "

Sully is harmless-he's a chihuahua who comes out from under the couch to bark a little then runs back under the couch and hides. He's a paid Democrat hack who used to stalk me on Patch. I guess the Democrats stopped paying him to stalk me because he couldn't shut me up. He's tried using Alinsky tactics, but since I know all about that, it didn't bother me a bit.

I am intrigued at how R. Schulte is able to bait people who disagree with him. He starts with an outrageous statement and then sits back to wait for them to defend their honor. His message doesn't really vary much, it is simple and designed to be an annoyance to all that disagree. When things calm down, he lobs out another outrageous statement and waits for all of the people who swore that they would not respond to him to come back in droves. Fascinating.

I once worked with someone who would make outrageous statements at meetings and conferences he chaired just to stimulate disucssion. It worked then and looks like it worked here.
Hope no one takes offense with my comment, but it's heartfelt. ;0)

However, there is a difference between playing devil's advocate to stimulate intelligent debate and making outrageous comments that the subject firmly believes and therefore denigrates any kind of honest discussion expressing other points of view. And your comment is in no way offensive!

I love it. This is like deja vu all over again.

Barack Obama in Roanoke, Virginia:

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Read more: Rosen: Obama's Roanoke rant - The Denver Post

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_21104846/obamas-roanoke-rant#ixzz21Bajjux8

Mr. President, I've been a small business owner for 24 years and as far as I'm concerned, you can kiss my ass. I built my business, with no help from you or anybody else. The only thing that Government ever did for me was to do your best to destroy my business in the last 3-1/2 years.

There is absolutely no difference between Fidel Castro and Barack Obama, except for the beard and the military uniform. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

Hey Rich, I find it interesting that as soon as one of your hero pundits bring something up, you present it as if it were your original thought. I'd like to know what brought Elizabeth Warren into the debate all of the sudden. Who'd you steal that idea from? Nothing out of your mouth is original so you had to read that somewhere.

Alan - Since you want the government to get credit for the businesses that built America, should it also take credit for the criminals and terrorists that have wreaked havoc on America? Let's take the 9/11 perpetrators: They needed to use our roads, air safety regulations, finance institutions... well you get the idea.

I guess our criminals have you and Obama to thank, and maybe they can get out earlier now, because they had to stand on the shoulders of others to get their crimes done.

Alan Nudelman: "First, an apology. I said I would never again respond to anything you wrote. I changed my mind. THIS is the last one!"

Mr. Nudelman, what is it about liberals/progressives/Democrats that they have to announce that they will never comment on one of my posts as if anybody cares? If I had a dime for every time a l/p/D said that and then 3 days later had to comment once again, I could afford to buy a Senate seat from Governor Quinn.

I assume that you posted your comment using a computer. So let's apply the President's statement to you. Where did you get the money to buy your computer? Oh, you worked to earn the money. Did you drive to work on the streets provided, walk on the sidewalks or take a bus to get work? If you did, you really didn't buy that computer all by yourself. That's not really your computer-that's our computer.

And if you own a house, that's not really your house-it's our house. And your car, that's not really your car, that's our car. How did you pay for your house and car. Oh, you worked to earn the money to pay for the house and car, but you drove on our roads and across our bridges to get to work. And, of course, your employer couldn't make a profit so that your employer could pay you unless your employer used our roads and bridges and police and fire.

So Mr. Nudelman, according to the President you don't a house or a car, or even the cloths on your back or your shoes. It's all ours.

Marxist.

Like clockwork. Schulte posts outrageous statement and sucker responds.

http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/07/possibly-stupidest-bit-faux-outrage-all-time

Not surprisingly, bought hook, line, and sinker by Richard. The epitome of simplistic thinking. And Richard, if we had just a penny for every post in which you repeat the right wing rhetoric you steal from media idiots, we'd be in the Koch brothers league. To repeat your question, do you really think anyone cares about your self importance? It's your absolute complete lunacy that elicits responses. It has nothing to do with you personally. I'd also like to ask why you think it's so important to state how you used to live in Evanston, but now you live in the redneck section of Florida. That seems to be a common theme for you. Sorry to point out your hypocrisy. I'm sure this isn't the first time that's happened to you though. I'm sure you'll respond with what you believe to be a most witty reply. Dont bother-it'll just be predictable, redundant, and boring. Actually, I don't think you can not respond. Its just another part of your mental disorder- you have to have the last word in order to continue your feeling of superiority. Go for it buddy!

Quite a neat excuse to tax even more you mean. While the government does augment our efforts, it's not there to slow us down through unnecessary taxes and regulations.

Billy Bob: "What business do you own? You don't have to give me the name (if you want to protect your identity) but please identify the industry and nature of the business. That will help us put your comments into better perspective."

Thank you for asking. You could just ask other people on Patch what I do. Democrats are constantly Googling my name and looking at Linked-In. I work in the building construction industry.

When you Google my name as others have, you will find that I am internationally known for my work on the collapse of the World Trade Center towers on 9/11. You will also find my name on the Innocence Project website in connection with the execution of Todd Cameron Willingham by the State of Texas. Yes, I went up against Barry Scheck, one of O. J. Simpson's attorneys, and stomped one of Scheck's witnesses. Occassionaly, I get calls from prosecutors on Barry Scheck's star witness in the Willingham execution case, Dr. Craig Beyler.

Conservatives are not dumb people as Democrats want everybody to believe. In fact, conservatives are far more intelligenct than those elitist Democrats who think that they are the smartest people in the room. Fortunately, for conservatives, elite Democrats think they are more intelligent-yes, you Democrats keep thinking that.

To quote Rush: "It ain't bragging if you can do it."

Sure ya did, Rich! Just stomped him! Let me ask you, how'd that ethics complaint against Beyler go? How about this... Any definitive proof that Willingham was actually guilty? How convenient that Perry shut down the investigation before the results were able to be presented and that a higher court of Perry cronies disallowed a judge's exoneration of Willingham. Now one more thing - were you asked to critique Beyler or did you just do that on your own because Perry was starting to look bad? You can't even separate your occupation from politics. Pathetic.

Thanks for proving my point buddy! Gotta have that last word. That's what you call 'on cue', Mr. Weasel.

Hmmm, haven't heard back from Mr. Nudelman. He's probably working on how he's going to tell his wife that he just lost the house, the car, all of the clothes and her shoes this afternoon by agreeing with Obama's Roanoke comments. (The bank account is gone too-hope you bought gold and buried it some where so that Obama can't take that too.)

Mr. Nudelman can you give us your address so that we can come on over to our house and celebrate the fact that we own your house now? That's what Obama told us last Friday.

Mr. Nudelman is probably in shock, but it's too late Mr. Nudelman-you wouldn't believe us when we told you Obama is a marxist. Yup, that's what happens when you elect a marxist.

Don't feel bad though, I'll be executed when Obama takes over. That should bring a smile to your face at least for a few seconds.

Come on guys, it's been hours with no responses. Someone must have a comeback (although the whole Scott Walker line got a little weird and the Nudelman thing was tough to follow). Doesn't someone have a new verse to go with the Marxist refrain that Schulte keeps singing?

Da Weasel: "Someone must have a comeback (although the whole Scott Walker line got a little weird and the Nudelman thing was tough to follow). Doesn't someone have a new verse to go with the Marxist refrain that Schulte keeps singing?"

Hmmm, another typical confused Democrat. Mention Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker and the Democrats go into orbit. It's like the 4th of July when you mention Scott Walker's name. Everybody likes fireworks.

If you can't follow the response to Nudelman, then you're obviously a product of the Chicago Public School system. If successful business owners didn't do it on their own, then their employees didn't do it on there own. And if their employees didn't do it on their own, that means that no one did, which gives Government the right to make the tax rate 100 percent for everyone.

There is nothing like the jack boot of Government on our collective throats. The Soviets already tried that-the Soviet economy failed.

Sorry Schulte I don't mix politics with entertainment. I'm just here to watch.

Is Obama a marxist? This article may be of interest in formulating an answer to the question:

"Since I was a Marxist myself at the time, and had studied variations in Marxist theory, I can state that everything I heard Obama argue that evening was consistent with Marxist philosophy, including the ideas that class struggle was leading to an inevitable revolution and that an elite group of revolutionaries was needed to lead the effort. If he had not been a true Marxist-Leninist, I would have noticed and remembered. I can still, with some degree of ideological precision, identify which students at Occidental College were radicals and which ones were not. I can do the same thing for the Occidental College professors at that time."

"Whatever impact our encounter might have had on him, I know something about what Barack Obama believed in 1980. At that time, the future president was a doctrinaire Marxist revolutionary, although perhaps -- for the first time -- considering conventional politics as a more practical road to socialism. Knowing this, I think I have a responsibility to place on the public record my account of this incident from our president's past."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/meeting_young_obama.html

If the above is accurate, and I believe that it is, then there seems to be little doubt of the answer to the question posed above.

And now you know why Rush Limbaubh said that he hopes Obama fails.